The time for "playing nice" has long past. Other user groups are aggressively fighting to have our access taken away. We need to be equally aggressive in our fight to preserve it.
i agree, lets fight to get rid of all the horse riders and mall cops and city central cops when we play in the urban jungle...Trail Traveler said:The time for "playing nice" has long past. Other user groups are aggressively fighting to have our access taken away. We need to be equally aggressive in our fight to preserve it.
Toddski said:Here’s my horse encounter story from last weekend – Bear Brook, NH.
I’m first in the group of riders. Come flying down the trail, super dense foliage, rocky rooty single track …trail not suitable for horses. So I’m shocked to see the 3 equestrians coming our way as I fly around a corner, but do stop a good 15 feet in front of them, everybody stops behind me as I give a warning, we dismount and stand to the side of this incredible tight trail. I say hello to the horse, First horse is FREAKING OUT, second horse is FREAKING out, third horse is FREAKING out. But we are all stopped and on the side of the trail off the bikes. The fist equestrian cannot get her horse to move forward as it’s stomping its hooves. I decide to talk to the horse in a friendly tone and let him know that I’m not a horse eating alien. This seems to work (kind of )and the first horse reluctantly stomps half kicking by us up the trail. Second horse, again it won’t respond to its rider’s commands, so I start up again in a soft tone. “it’s ok horsy, come on, let’s go.” And this is the part that pisses me off- the second equestrian says to me- quote “SHUT UP, my horse has never seen bikers before this is her first time out!” Now at this point I really wanted to get into a open dialogue about her I.Q. level and explain to her that where they were heading was not suitable for horses… also wanted to state that they were on a popular BIKING trail and they would encounter other riders in worse terrain as they further on, basically tell her that they should stop playing Louis& Clark and turn around!….. but the horse was really freaking out, there was nowhere for us to go, I did care about the rider’s safety… so I kept my mouth shut, stepped into the pucker brushes as far as I could go, used my bike as a shield for the kicking massive beast that finally went galloping by on his own terms. Third horse again went running by us with the half kicks, it was kind of scary, since the previous year I witnessed a horse actually go after and kick other biker as he stood to the far side (on a jeep road), the horses foot got caught up on the bike, and then the horse proceeded to stomp into the woods with bike still attached!, it was crazy!
so yeah anyways... I just thought a would share my recent horse encounter.
LuMach said:Around here we have issues with the Horsey crowd actually working to get MTBers banned from a local public park, pretty ironic when they're the one's who show the least respect for the enviornment by damaging the trails more than anyone (sandy soil+horseshoes+1000lbs. animal = serious trail destruction) and disrespecting everyone by leaving huge piles of dung behind for others to deal with.
Well said MisterC!MisterC said:The trouble is that people, and I mean people in general just, in this case, horse people, will not be swayed by logic or reason when it stands to take away something they have and want.
There isn't a good argument for what the horse community wants regarding multi use trails. Which is to say, they want things to stay the same. The only complaint as far as I can tell is that they want the trails to themselves. As far as their responsibilities, they have none.
In order for horses to exist in a multi-use setting other trail users must be held to a higher standard and the horse owners must be exempt from rules that others must follow.
And that makes other users mad.
Hikers may have a problem with MTBs on the trails but at least we have the same rules to follow as anyone else as well as a few specific to us and we are scrutinized under them.
They do not "seem", they in fact are. Just attend any land management agency meeting.BreatholdiveRI said:In my experience, equestrians just seem like snobs that want trails all to themselves.
smoking pod doesnt count.c_rex said:I've ridden horses, cleaned their stalls, brushed and fed 'em because my family has had them. Personally I don't like the beasts very much. But I do respect them on the trail. I always slow down and sometimes stop for them. No way in hell am I going to make a lot of noise so they notice me. What are ya, new?
Look at the horse's behavior. Look at the RIDER'S behavior. If they are in synch you are golden. Take it easy and your encounter will be null. If they are having challenges with your presence- don't be a jerk. Nobody needs to get injured in the cohabitation of trail space. Exercise even a modicum of common sense and everyone will be just fine. This goes for the horse rider too btw.
FWIW- I'm not out there to enjoy nature, that's just a by-product. It's beautiful and all but make no mistake- Nature is coming for you. I've got my own reasons for being out there.