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In Coe-Operation with California State Parks and the Pine Ridge Association we bring you:

Henry W Coe SP 4th Sat Jim Donnelly Trail Building 3/24/12 Hunting Hollow Exxon Valdez



Step up to the bridge and take notice of the course you are on. Step up and volunteer.
Open your eyes, grip the wheel, notice the shallow reef, and steer a new trail, and avert disaster.
On this day, March 24, 1989, the Exxon Valdez ran aground in Prince William Sound in Alaska.
Up until last year's Deep Water Horizon tragedy (3/20/10), the Exxon Valdez was the largest oil spill in history.

Meet at Hunting Hollow in Henry W Coe State Park this Saturday at 9am.

Tools are cached at the picnic table, 1520' elevation. You ride or hike up the trail without having to carry tools a long distance.



Recent rain helps, and we are persistent. Conditions are good.



The Jim Donnelly Trail is a multi-use trail. We bench tread to a four foot wide specification with an average 10-15% grade outslope.



Free maps to new volunteers.



Come prepared with gloves and eye protection and appropriate trail work wear. We now have cheap sturdy new gloves and safety glasses in case someone forgets to bring them. Bring food and water. We have snacks; granola bars, cookies, raisins, peanuts, gatorade, candy; that you can help yourself to at the beginning of the day if you like. There's bottled water and Gatorade available.



Dress for the weather. Come rain or shine. It might rain. If it rains a lot, we may have to sometimes hike cross-country to keep from damaging the trail. Typically though, it is safe to bring a bike. If it rains a cumulative 1/2" or more in the preceding 48hrs, do not bring a bike.

This will be the first trail work of spring.

We break for lunch at noon, and quit at 3pm. But you can leave early or stay late too.



 

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Question: I have seen where the "new" JD trail section hits Spike Jones, but does it start where indicated by present maps? Link to an updated map?
 

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just a cow trail

Question: I have seen where the "new" JD trail section hits Spike Jones, but does it start where indicated by present maps? Link to an updated map?
The JDT stops at Steer Ridge Rd (both the "new" and "old" routes end in the same spot); what you're probably seeing from SJT is a couple of "cow trails" that have been getting a lot of use lately. They're not on any maps (or planned maps) but since they can be seen in satellite imagery I've been calling the western portion the "Google Trail".

Use at your own risk; as un-mapped trails bikes are not supposed to be using them. (Same as riding cross-country in the eyes of the "law") Since they're at a sustainable grade hopefully they'll one day get widened and sanctioned as "real" trails. (and nicer than going up that "wall" on Steer Ridge)

We probably won't be seeing any new trail projects like those cow trails until the current "budget crisis" get resolved. It was just luck (and persistence) that the JDT project got the go-ahead!
 

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The total trail experience includes disappointment!

Fast Eddie refers to the following email from the DPR Monterey District Gavilan Sector Supervising Ranger:

On Thursday, I inspected the work that has been done on the upper portion of the Jim Donnelly Trail. I observed several structures on the trail that do not meet the departments specifications, including a trail by-pass that was never approved as part of this project. Based on these observations, I will not allow any volunteers to perform any work on the Jim Donnelly Trail until further notice.

I will be scheduling a meeting with a few park volunteers in the future to discuss the problems we are encountering. I may allow volunteer work to resume at a later date under direct park staff supervision. Until that time, any volunteer that works on the Jim Donnelly Trail will be subject to disciplinary action.

Feel free to forward this message to any volunteers that were not included in the address box.

Stuart Organo
Supervising Ranger
Monterey District, Gavilan Sector
408-842-9249




Supervising Ranger Stuart Organo and Sorcerer at a Back Country Weekend event.
 

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In other words...

Fast Eddie refers to the following email from the DPR Monterey District Gavilan Sector Supervising Ranger:

On Thursday, I inspected the work that has been done on the upper portion of the Jim Donnelly Trail. I observed several structures on the trail that do not meet the departments specifications, including a trail by-pass that was never approved as part of this project. Based on these observations, I will not allow any volunteers to perform any work on the Jim Donnelly Trail until further notice.

I will be scheduling a meeting with a few park volunteers in the future to discuss the problems we are encountering. I may allow volunteer work to resume at a later date under direct park staff supervision. Until that time, any volunteer that works on the Jim Donnelly Trail will be subject to disciplinary action.

Feel free to forward this message to any volunteers that were not included in the address box.

Stuart Organo
Supervising Ranger
Monterey District, Gavilan Sector
408-842-9249
...Saturday's Trail Work Day is more than likely cancelled. Suffice it to say; I'm pretty disappointed with this turn of events---a storm has been brewing for the last few weeks but I did not expect such draconian results.

Sorcerer's choice of the "Exxon Valdez" as the moniker for this TWD is a rather apropos metaphor for what has happened. (If he knew it was subliminally) The program for user-friendly multiple-use trails at Coe has hit the rocks and there is a serious breech in the hull.

Can it be re-floated? Time will tell.

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A sign of evil? (Snake was seen on Wagon Road while we were returning from today's work on the Bowl Trail project)
 

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Trail Work Option on the Cullen Trail this Saturday

There is a chance that trail work or some survey activity on the JDT will happen on Saturday. A Monterey District Trails staff person is scheduled to help us out, long before Stuart's email arrived. Since the trails guy is a staff person, it should qualify the activity. However, we are waiting for clarification from Stuart. I'm in the dark as to what the fuss is about.

If the JDT work is cancelled, for certain, there will be notice made here as soon as we find out.

Otherwise, I'll go and work on the Cullen Trail. There's a totally blown-out retaining wall there that I've had my eye on, and would take all day to repair. I'd push my bike up there with a BOB trailer full of tools. That's a solid work-out.
 

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I feel for you guy's & gal's who have put TONS of time, blood and sweet into this trail.

What the H$LL are these "structures" this individual mentions that don't meet "specifications" ???

EVERY photo I've seen here documented (thank you all) looks PRO built. Top-notch.
IMBA spec.

- Did this Sup. just have a bad day or what???
 
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Maybe it's the horse variation instead of under the big branch, complete with sign? There are loads of low trees on established Coe trails where equestrians have to dismount anyway (although few are as big and burly as that oak branch, and that branch is kind of hidden by the shade of the tree when the surroundings are sunny), and someone put a dirt ramp on the uphill side of the horse log, looks like a jump with a go-around...
 

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There are loads of low trees on established Coe trails where equestrians have to dismount anyway ...
Yea, I've seen how they "dismount". Going slow up Lyman-Willson one day, I pulled over by a tree to let equestrians pass. They said to me "don't bother". The tree was too low so they went down the steep bank, around, and back up, trashing quite a lot of the hillside as they went.
 

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The Sorcerer had warned me...

Maybe it's the horse variation instead of under the big branch, complete with sign? There are loads of low trees on established Coe trails where equestrians have to dismount anyway (although few are as big and burly as that oak branch, and that branch is kind of hidden by the shade of the tree when the surroundings are sunny), and someone put a dirt ramp on the uphill side of the horse log, looks like a jump with a go-around...
...that the by-pass would be trouble.

But by the time that the DPR reviewed the trail the log and the ramp were gone; this is how it looked:
<a href="https://s1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/pliebenberg/Henry%20W%20Coe/Jim%20Donnelly%20Trail/March%202012%20misc/?action=view&current=P3160031.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/pliebenberg/Henry%20W%20Coe/Jim%20Donnelly%20Trail/March%202012%20misc/P3160031.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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The sign probably didn't help matters any (not approved by State standards)

Note to self; don't count on the State having any "common sense".
 

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There has to be more to the story that that ^^^ :confused:

Only other things I can think of (granted it's been a couple weeks since I've been on it) are a couple of berm-ed corners and a few rolling dips which might be viewed as some as small jumps, But I was taught how to build those by a Forest Service engineer in Tahoe when I used to be able to do trail work and serve to move water off the trail.

In any case it's incredibly sad and feel for you guys who have put your Heart, Soul and Brawn into this trail.

My bet is the new trail conforms to standards much better than the old one, basically a steep fall line trail. Sounds like that ton of Free labor from Volunteer America is gonna get axed also.

Funny they kill work on this trail, but continue to let a Sweco operator that appears to have very little experience (My view based on other Sweco trails I've seen built) rape the Bowl trail. Government at it's worst right here :madman:
 

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IMBA don't count...

I feel for you guy's & gal's who have put TONS of time, blood and sweet into this trail.

What the H$LL are these "structures" this individual mentions that don't meet "specifications" ???

EVERY photo I've seen here documented (thank you all) looks PRO built. Top-notch.
IMBA spec.

- Did this Sup. just have a bad day or what???
We had received sort of a warning letter the week previous; since it wasn't prefaced for distribution I won't share it in its entirety; but this sentence will give you an idea of where District staff are coming from:

"All trail work shall be performed to California State Parks trail specs. We are not concerned with IMBA, or National Forest specs, or their construction and maintenance methods."

There are several of ironies here; one is that we have asked the DPR for copies of their Trails Handbook and have been informed that they are for "trained staff only".

Another is that if you go to the main DPR Planning Dept. website you'll find a "Trail Manager's Toolkit" in which they have several links referring to the IMBA (implying as it's a good source for trail info).

Lastly, I have seen and held the DPR Trails Handbook for a short time; FWIW it's basically every other page of the National Forest Trails Handbook (which is readily available to the public). For example, the aforementioned "trail bypass" (aka "passing lane") design is covered in the USFS publication; this page is missing in the DPR version.
 

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That sucks.

Let us know when it is time to call/email/send letters.
agree

If you could describe the situation a bit more (I guess I am curious what the unapproved "structures"??? are) I would be happy to write a letter to the district supervisor that I am appalled that volunteers building a very high quality trail that is designed and built much better than any DPR built trail I have ever seen are being told not to because it doesn't meet the narrow minded ideas in the approved trail manual.
 
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