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I'm really struggling with arch pain when descending especially over rough chattery features, like cobblestones or Rock gardens.

I've tried a few different things but seems nothing I do at the moment really helps.

Pain sets in pretty quickly, like after a couple of minutes and dissipates within seconds of I take weight of the foot ... Mainly my left foot.

I had been using g8 insoles with Bontrager flatlines and specialised 2fo roost pretty successfully. Both wore out and i replaced the shoes but I can't seem to get a pair that works.

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Nw clan
Freerider Pro
Impact Pro
2fo dh

I've also tried different pedals and different insoles. Nothing has stopped the problem, not even going back to the specialised shoes.

Does anyone have any suggestion with dealing with this? Common wisdom would suggest 'use stiffer shoes' but all those shoes I'm using are considered in the stiffer end of the scale. Can a shoe be too stiff and aggregate this?
 

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If it happens descending only, that may be a clue. Make sure you are sinking your heels and absorbing the impacts by hinging at the ankles.
Yeah it's descending only. I can pedal for a longer than I care to lol.

I thought the heels weren't sunk in enough either but I've been pretty conscious of dipping them the last few rides and no difference. It's also my lead foot that suffers the most ... i.e. the more sunk of the two feet.

With the 5.10s I thought maybe the shape was the problem (I have wide feet) and the Freerider pros did not have a great fit for me, the impact pros felt like they fit nicely though. I really thought the 2fo dh would work since the 2fo roost I had no issues with ... but here I am.
 

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Perhaps it's time to consider a visit to a doctor for some advice.
Funny you should mention that, Just booked in a visit to a Podiatrist but it's about a month away. The guy is also a MTBer and a fitter so I thought he should know what I'm talking about (descending out of the saddle over gnar).

I was just wondering if anyone else has had an issue with flat pedal shoes being too stiff. Seems the shoes that worked for me had more flexible soles.
 

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Have you tried insole that match the arch of your foot? Not sure whether you flat-footed or have a high arch?
Yeah I tried the insoles I was using in my previous pairs of shoes ... both the flatlines and the 2fo roost. I've tried some others. I'd say that with the stiffer soles the insoles actually made the problem worse, so not sure what's going on there.

I almost does seem to correlate to sole stiffness

Flatlines moderate stiffness = ok
RC powerline moderate stiffness = ok
2FO roost moderate-high stiffness = ok

Clan, 2fo DH, freerider pro, impact pro stiff = pain

Unfortunately I can't get the flatlines or 2fo roost at the moment everyone is out of stock. Thinking of trying the regular freerider or maybe shimano gr7 ... My foot is wide so many shoes just don't fit.
 

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I was gonna recommend stiffness index 10 or higher

I have high arches and unless I use absolutely no flex soles, my feet will end up
hurting. using stiffness index 13 now, carbon soles. No flex whatsoever, can ride
all day 12hrs+, or hard intervals, or anything, the last thing complaining is my feet. Soooo nice.

if I start jogging program, say 3 miles every other day,
inevitably by feet will give out in a month and I am limping,
so, that's kinda the feet I have.

the bike and hard soles allows me to punish myself
and the only thing I feel is when swapping to winter boots for riding, I have
about 3 or 4 rides of discomfort adapting to the different shoe. but after that, bliss
winter boots stiffness index 10

I only use specialized shoes...the way they make them fits my feets very
well....as with anything clothing related, YMMV...everyone has some freaky shape
to a body part and won't fit into everything
 

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While you're waiting for your appointment how about trying some non-mtb shoes? If you have trailrunners or other running shoes that are comfortable, try them. If your pedals have longer sharper pins you'll want to change to shorter rounded or stubby pins if those shoes work.
I use running shoes with an open tread pattern from Adidas with the Boost midsole. It's not a removal component.
The material dampens the vibration transmission from rocky trail segments. Before these the soles of my feet would be numb after a couple hours of riding hardtail.
Just one foot showing pain could also be a size issue. Both feet can be different sizes. Feet can change. You may now need the next size up.
 

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What pedals have you tried and what size are your feet?
This was going to be a major point I was going to make.

I had foot pain/cramping on chattery descents and tracked it down to a combination of shoe flex and pedal support. Stiffer shoes and bigger pedals that supported my shoes better did a great job of addressing those problems. I wear a size 12, and use DMR Vault pedals. OG Freeriders were too flexy for me (and my previous pedals weren't wide enough, so my shoes curled around the outside edge of the pedal), so I replaced the shoes with Freerider Contacts (a bit stiffer) when I changed pedals to the Vaults. I recently wore out the Contacts, and just replaced them with Freerider Pros.
 

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Do you think it could be plantar fasciatis? Had that for a few months last year and it was rather painful, right in the arch. I had to lay low for a couple weeks for it to go away, which wasn't going to happen until winter set in and the trails were buried in snow.
 

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As mentioned above- consider some new insoles?

Specialized Body Geometry did wonders for me in my old 510 freeriders, cured the mid arch pain I had while going downhill
I've tried a set of Spec BG insoles in the green and blue, a set of Bontrager insoles in the yellow and a set of g8 insoles. All present the same problems in the same shoes. In the more flexible shoes they seemed to work well, thus why I'm thinking maybe the insoles aren't playing well with the stiffness of the shoe?
 

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This was going to be a major point I was going to make.

I had foot pain/cramping on chattery descents and tracked it down to a combination of shoe flex and pedal support. Stiffer shoes and bigger pedals that supported my shoes better did a great job of addressing those problems. I wear a size 12, and use DMR Vault pedals. OG Freeriders were too flexy for me (and my previous pedals weren't wide enough, so my shoes curled around the outside edge of the pedal), so I replaced the shoes with Freerider Contacts (a bit stiffer) when I changed pedals to the Vaults. I recently wore out the Contacts, and just replaced them with Freerider Pros.
Yeah I thought the same thing stiffer = more support but how much stiffer can you get than an impact pro? The Clan was like a plank of wood also, unbendable. The stiffer the shoe the worse it seems to get. The flatline and 2fo roost are quite flexy by comparison and didn't seem to have the same problem.

I've used Stamp 1, One Up and DMR V11 pedals ... same problem on all 3.
 

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Do you think it could be plantar fasciatis? Had that for a few months last year and it was rather painful, right in the arch. I had to lay low for a couple weeks for it to go away, which wasn't going to happen until winter set in and the trails were buried in snow.
I'm not sure, I don't have any issues pedaling or off the bike. From what I'm reading PF manifests off the bike also does it not?
 
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