Strength of steel, will not usually just snap if fail, lighter than steel but similar or bit heavier than alu, nice compliance/dampening characteristics. Oh, and look cool. Hella expensive tho.
Aluminum will not just "snap" if it fails either. If carbon fails due to overload, it will usually be a massive failure making a loud bang. Either of these (overload of metal or overload of CF) will absorb a ton of energy and most likely, but not always, save you from some serious injury. There's a misconception that aluminum will "crack" suddenly. Titanium is actually more brittle than Aluminum or Steel. If you have a metal overload failure, the metal essentially "tears apart" or "folds", whether it's steel, aluminum, titanium, etc. You get compression and tension lines, 45° sheer pucks, etc. These are over-load failures, where the material fails due to force being applied beyond the designed limits.Strength of steel, will not usually just snap if fail, lighter than steel but similar or bit heavier than alu, nice compliance/dampening characteristics. Oh, and look cool. Hella expensive tho.
Good stuff my man, thank you!Aluminum will not just "snap" if it fails either. If carbon fails due to overload, it will usually be a massive failure making a loud bang. Either of these (overload of metal or overload of CF) will absorb a ton of energy and most likely, but not always, save you from some serious injury. There's a misconception that aluminum will "crack" suddenly. Titanium is actually more brittle than Aluminum or Steel. If you have a metal overload failure, the metal essentially "tears apart" or "folds", whether it's steel, aluminum, titanium, etc. You get compression and tension lines, 45° sheer pucks, etc. These are over-load failures, where the material fails due to force being applied beyond the designed limits.
The reason metal cracks is due to stress fractures, flaws, damage, corrosion pits, etc. Stress fractures are usually rare, as the components are generally designed to outlast most applications by a significant margin. These types of general failures create a small overload in the micro-scale (as in a very localized/small spot) and then with every further cycle the crack progresses further, until one day the structure can no longer support the load and you get a catastrophic failure. Again, doesn't matter if it's steel, CF or titanium. This usually manifests in a "polished" look to the metal in the crack. In fact, CF is probably better in this sense, because it will probably start showing more obvious signs of delamination, including cracking noise, visual discoloration, bursting/torn fibers, etc. These are under-load failures, where the part should not have failed, due to being below the designed load limit, except in the case of stress fractures if you had reached/exceeded the number of cycles.
Good to know. They're Pivot's Phoenix bars, not sure if they're the same ones on the non-enduro bikes, but good to know they've taken so much abuse without failure. I'm pretty thorough with cleaning and maintaining my bike. Not just cause it's new, always been that way. I think I'll just pay extra attention and replace after a year or two.If you got known brand carbon bars designed for trail/enduro I wouldn't worry about it. We did non scientific destructive testing on friends retired carbon bars, took ridiculous punishment to break. In all my years of riding, I've seen more aluminum bars snap. Aluminum eventually fatigues. Steel and carbon (and I'm pretty sure Ti) will tolerate a certain degree of flex pretty much forever. Its when you exceed it that you either get failure or fatigue.
Update (3/11/23): I came across this on a different Google search so thought I'd give an update. My fears came true and I did snap my bars at Killington Bike Park. Bad crash, snapped in half and just missed stabbing my leg. Got an alloy Renthal Fatbar and love it. Feels more stable and inspires a lot more confidence… I'll never ride carbon bars again!Need some help cause I can't find much recent info on titanium bars. Currently have carbon bars that came w my bike and looking into replacing w alloy (Renthal Fatbar). I ride bike parks maybe 10x a year, not riding pro lines or launching 10 ft drops, but the threat of my bars snapping has me somewhat concerned. I get carbon bars are A LOT safer than 5-10 years ago and the threat minimal, so it's just peace of mind.
I came across Why Cycles titanium bars on Revel's website, but can't find current reviews on them or titanium bars in general. Anyone know the benefits titanium bars offer that carbon/alloy don't?
Wow! Thanks for the update. Any more details you could provide? I wasn’t clear in my early reply to your OP, but was referring to carbon bars just going “snap”, not alu. Glad you’re okay. Just ordered a new carbon bar because mine has a lotta miles. Interested if you have any thoughts on what may have caused this. Big crashes, poor quality, other damage. Sold a bike to a good friend and it had an early edition carbon bar from salsa. It broke where the brake clamps.Update (3/11/23): I came across this on a different Google search so thought I'd give an update. My fears came true and I did snap my bars at Killington Bike Park. Bad crash, snapped in half and just missed stabbing my leg. Got an alloy Renthal Fatbar and love it. Feels more stable and inspires a lot more confidence… I'll never ride carbon bars again!