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Hey fellow hartshorne riders, Ive seriously been considering building some new trail features in hartshorne. Iam going to ask the park systems permission so give a presentation to the board about the ideas I have. Not so much creating a series of entirley new trails, but keeping the existing ones up and running, and idealy adding some North Shore Style stuff to the mix (there are some awsome spots along Rocky Point). Anyone want to pitch in? Iam just throwing the idea out there, so any replies would be great. Iam all for keeping our local trails fun, safe, and challenging... Any ideas or input would be most appreciated..

We are planning to ride there this Friday around 11 at the top lot, hopefully we'll see some familiar faces...

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Erik
 

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I don't know about north shore type stuff at hartshorne. It gets pretty crowded there at times, and the rocky point section is right near one of the lots, which on nice days fills up with bikers, hikers, and walkers, and lots of families, and I think thats asking for trouble. About the only section I could think of that MIGHT lend itself towards this stuff is the North Western section, north of Cuesta ridge and part of grand tour. I've ridden there and passed guys with both full on dh bikes and bmx bikes, hitting some of the jumps there, and I think that is the section least used by hikers/walkers.

From an outsiders viewpoint, it seems the monmouth park system has a good relationship with someone on the biking side, as they've always been very encouraging towards me as a rider (the park rangers that is). Have you dealt with them as an organization, or are you individual?

Trail maintenance is good, new trails are always welcomed, but trails that veer towards the "extreme" side of mountain biking at a park like Hartshorne just sounds like a bad can of worms waiting to be opened. Not for the riders, but for how biking is viewed by the general populace, and particularly non-biking users of hartshorne.

And please, please DO NOT think of making north shore stunts or new trails without permission.
 

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Eric,

Thats gret that you would like to jump into this. There is a person involved with JORBA that has a solid relationship with the Monmouth County Parks people. You should send him an e-mail. His name is Mike Flatley. You can contact him thru the JORBA site (www.jorba.org), go the the Monmoth County portion of the site and you will find his contact info.

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Bob W.
 

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The North Shore Stuff would be great! I don't see why that would bother hikers. Hiking paths could run parallel to the sections with obstacles/jumps. You have a hiking trail spilt off for 20ft or whatever and then bring it back to the main trail. I'd be willing to help and I know someone else who would pitch in. Let us know if you get the ok from the park system. Hartshore is a great place to ride.
 

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Hey fellow hartshorne riders, Ive seriously been considering building some new trail features in hartshorne. Iam going to ask the park systems permission so give a presentation to the board about the ideas I have. Not so much creating a series of entirley new trails, but keeping the existing ones up and running, and idealy adding some North Shore Style stuff to the mix (there are some awsome spots along Rocky Point). Anyone want to pitch in? Iam just throwing the idea out there, so any replies would be great. Iam all for keeping our local trails fun, safe, and challenging... Any ideas or input would be most appreciated..

We are planning to ride there this Friday around 11 at the top lot, hopefully we'll see some familiar faces...

Cheers,
Erik

great idea Erik! as Bob W said, you may find some value from chatting with Mike F and definitely talk to park mgmt before you do any trailwork... relations are very good at Hartshorne so any coordination you do with the management ahead of time will pay off immensley in the end... its the unsanctioned trail work that makes park mgmt perturbed.

I don't know how receptive they'll be to "Northshore type stuff", but its worth a conversation! I would present them as "features" and avoid the use of words like "extreme" or "Northshore" when talking to non-bikers... it makes non bikers think you're nuts ;) if you say you want to maintain and improve the flow of some trails, and integrate natural features you may have excellent reception. also anything that you build should be bomber solid (not that you would build shoddy features) so they last for years and are safe. construction is a whole noher topic and guys at JORBA have experience with building bridges, ladders and ramps. check out the recent bridges at Mercer and Allamuchy for example.

I wish you luck and hope you keep us advised of any news! :cool:
 

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Bomb Solid

mergs said:

. also anything that you build should be bomber solid :
Bomber Solid is the word... I'll jones in to call it Bomb Solid....

Either way, I've seen too many people thrashed over the bars on some rickety a$$ piles of sticks, branches and rocks out there. Things get moved and all of a sudden it's a liability. A rock that was your friend becomes hell and your day is shot. I had the pleasure of a ride with a man called Lenosky and he doesn't touch any thing man made, he just hops the whole thing (must be nice).

Yeah.... Bomb Solid.

Good luck.
 

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Bomber Solid is the word... I'll jones in to call it Bomb Solid....

Either way, I've seen too many people thrashed over the bars on some rickety a$$ piles of sticks, branches and rocks out there. Things get moved and all of a sudden it's a liability. A rock that was your friend becomes hell and your day is shot. I had the pleasure of a ride with a man called Lenosky and he doesn't touch any thing man made, he just hops the whole thing (must be nice).

Yeah.... Bomb Solid.

Good luck.
Lenosky? You mean Jeff? He's a pu$$y! His REAL name is WOOKIE!
 

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yeah erik!!!!!

so im going to talk to beverly miller the head of monmouth county park system (after all i do work there) so ... lets do it
 

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I'm not sure what help you need but as far as grunt work goes i'll pitch in
 

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Let me know if anything comes about with the discussions. I've always thought a medium size "fun" zone at Heartshorne would be great - there are the 2 smaller ones already there (one near the watertower, the other off the fireroad) - but never really built that well or developed properly.

I've ridden at Quiet Waters Park in FL (of all places) that had a great setup - 2 zones - one more beginer oriented another w/ more advanced obstacles. It was out of the way and had signs showing it was a desinated area. I rode it twice last spring when I was there for vacation. It was a LOT of fun and kept me on my toes. I'd be riding there this week - but Wilma tore the hell out of Quiet Waters. The south FL guys are rebuilding and have been making some very nice looking stuff at Santos Park (check out Freeridesout.com for info on that).

Here is the link to the Quiet Waters park on IMBA's site:http://www.imba.com/resources/freeriding/florida_freeriding.html

As riders get more advanced skills and different types of riders (less XC, more stunt), I think it would be great to have areas like this at parks.

Again let me know if anything developes or you need any help building or digging (I've been building DJ's for many, many years :D)
 
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