[Placek]

Hi everyone

I didn't want to create a new thread but after reading all similar I didn't find answer for my particular questions.

Actual situation:

- 60% is hardpack in dry conditions, very similar to first Jmblur's picture https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1140/814804588_348223a51f.jpg ,and https://lh6.ggpht.com/_UmqcJzfZtGw/SmigTOkJJzI/AAAAAAAAELc/gMbd1Mjxftw/s400/IMG_0442.jpg as you see woods, completely no rocks or mud, jus leaves, fast tracks some small sticks
- 30% asphalt - unfortunately I don't like this kind of terrain but need to get somehow to more enjoyable terrain
- 10% sand - woods around the city are sandy sometimes https://www.kampinos.pl/wysiwyg/FileUpload/pics/Turystyka/Wydmy.jpg
- Riding Hardtail
- Actual tires are Maxxis Larsen Oriflame 2.0 https://www.biketechmogi.com.br/loja/images/maxxis_larsen_oriflamme_pto_T.JPG

Expectation:

- Need something really fast rolling - asphalt, hardpack
- Something for dry conditions - for wet I have another set
- Large volume - expect good comfort
- Bit more grippy and predictable than maxis Larsen
- Maximum 500g
- Used with tubes

My propositions and fears:

- Conti Race King Supersonic 2.2 - good opinions but I'm afraid abot their volume - won't it be slowing me down on asphalt ?
- Michelin XC DRY2 2.0 - small blocks, looks fast but some say it's even for muddy conditions and this could cos a lot of effort on dry conditions
- Huthinson Python Air Light 2.0 - producer sys it's fast but I have never ride it
- Huthinson Kobra Air Light 2.1 - similar to DRY2, bigger volume, heavier, producer says "slower" but knobs are really tight

Do You have comparison , can compare recommend some of them.
Will be very thankful.
Placek

 

[devilish_dwarf]

ad schwalbe racing ralphs 2.1 to your list...
wider than conti 2.0, but faster.

 

[EnglishT]

I can personally vouch for both the dry2 and the hutchies (cobra and python) - they'd be ideal for what you're looking for.

Some others you could consider:
-Hutch Piranha.
-Geax Saguaro
-Nokian NBX lite (one of the fastest going, IF you can find them - CRC has them IIRC).

 

[clark]

The Cobra looks less flat prone and has bigger edge knobs for less washout. I plan on buying a set of these after my black panthers wear out. If your rims will support it the big black panther run tubeless may serve you better than any suggestions so far...

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/TI283A09-Vredestein+Black+Panther+Tire+Folding.aspx

 

[moishlashen]

Similar conditions to what I ride in. I use:

Maxxis Crossmark in front
Kenda Small Block 8 rear.

Both 2.1 although the Kenda is wider than the Crossmark. It works really well.

 

[Placek]

Thanks for such Fast response

ad schwalbe racing ralphs 2.1 to your list...
wider than conti 2.0, but faster.

there is Conti 2.2 on my list only - 2.0 as i read not worth of considering
did You compared RaRa 2.1 to RK 2.2?

Some others you could consider:
-Hutch Piranha.
-Geax Saguaro
-Nokian NBX lite (one of the fastest going, IF you can find them - CRC has them IIRC).

Seems to be to aggressive to me, this kind of tire I put on front for better control.

The Cobra looks less flat prone and has bigger edge knobs for less washout. I plan on buying a set of these after my black panthers wear out. If your rims will support it the big black panther run tubeless may serve you better than any suggestions so far...QUOTE]
I ride Mavic Crossmax ST

Maxxis Crossmark in front
Kenda Small Block 8 rear.

Maxxis seems to have middle knobs placed too far from each other - this gives great opportunity on mud but slows down on asphalt.

Now every opinion gives a new option. Well I need to choose from those four - eventually from RaRa 2.1 - but will it be as comfortable and really fastest than RK 2.2 or dry2 2.0 ??

 

[EnglishT]

Seems to be to aggressive to me, this kind of tire I put on front for better control.

With the exception of the saguaro, the other tires I listed are xc-race tires - neither are particularly agressive.
The saguaro does have a bit more grip but is far from slow (and the 2.2 has a very nice volume to it).

 

[managedenemy]

maxxis holy rollers; read there profile at maxxis.com; you want hard pack and asphalt these tires got ya all the way
You can find them under urban tires and if you can dirt jump them you know they hook up break um in on pavement

 

[Placek]

maxxis holy rollers; read there profile at maxxis.com; you want hard pack and asphalt these tires got ya all the way
You can find them under urban tires and if you can dirt jump them you know they hook up break um in on pavement

700g - no way this would kill me

 

[devilish_dwarf]

@EnglishT: yes... saguaro is not slow (actually it's fast almost like mezcal), but it is quite heavy.

rk 2.2 approximately have the same width of rara 2.1 (i've measured that rara 2.25 is 4 milimeters wider than rk 2.2) and german 'bike magazine' claim that rara is faster rolling.

by 'bike magazine':

race king 2.2
rolling resistance: 23,9 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: f
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
85% cc 15% am

racing ralph 2.25 evo TUBELESS 2008
rolling resistance: 19,8 watt
flattening height: 80cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)


however, i would pick one of these 2 models...

 

[Placek]

@ devilish_dwarf

You Compare 2,25 with RK2.2 - well RK 2.2 for me is huge so another 4mm is too much.
I'd rather consider RaRa 2.1 - lighter for sure but what about comfort and rollin resistance - should be less than 19,8 watt....

 

[devilish_dwarf]

i thought between rara 2.1 and rk 2.2
(i haven't find test (review) for rara in 2.1 version)

 

[Le Duke]

@ devilish_dwarf

You Compare 2,25 with RK2.2 - well RK 2.2 for me is huge so another 4mm is too much.
I'd rather consider RaRa 2.1 - lighter for sure but what about comfort and rollin resistance - should be less than 19,8 watt....

A narrower tire will probably have more rolling resistance, actually.

 

[AlexRandall]

A narrower tire will probably have more rolling resistance, actually.

+1

The wider the tyre the better it rolls seemingly. There is also a test mentioned in the stickys about Schwalbe's test on their own tyres. Wide tyres won in all situations apart from furious freds on tarmac. Despite the higher weight the wider tyres rolled better over all terrain. I'm now in the process of converting 100% to 2.2 width

 

[sebastian21]

You can't go wrong with the Kenda Karmas DTC with stans, light, low rolling resistance, great in most conditions. I'm using it my HT and FS

 

[moishlashen]

Maxxis seems to have middle knobs placed too far from each other - this gives great opportunity on mud but slows down on asphalt.

Now every opinion gives a new option. Well I need to choose from those four - eventually from RaRa 2.1 - but will it be as comfortable and really fastest than RK 2.2 or dry2 2.0 ??

Not really an opinion cause I fly on asphalt.

 

[Sideknob]

Maxxis 2.1 Monorail flies on smoother terrain and asphalt and is not too bad in the loose stuff, though I run a 2.1 Rendez up front as I don't like the cornering on the front.

 

[Placek]

i thought between rara 2.1 and rk 2.2
(i haven't find test (review) for rara in 2.1 version)

Me too, seems like RK is lighter and bigger volume - this should give better acceleration?

+1

The wider the tyre the better it rolls seemingly. There is also a test mentioned in the stickys about Schwalbe's test on their own tyres. Wide tyres won in all situations apart from furious freds on tarmac. Despite the higher weight the wider tyres rolled better over all terrain. I'm now in the process of converting 100% to 2.2 width

So another proof to take wider RK, RaRa 2,25 or some Mibro, Geax

Maxxis 2.1 Monorail flies on smoother terrain and asphalt and is not too bad in the loose stuff, though I run a 2.1 Rendez up front as I don't like the cornering on the front.

Looks nice but according to German specialists Mibro 2.25 has better rolling resistance than RK.
Sideknob - You wrote something about monorail here http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=495579 - can you compare directly Mibro 2.25 and monorail 2.1??

Thanks !

 

[devilish_dwarf]

+1

The wider the tyre the better it rolls seemingly. There is also a test mentioned in the stickys about Schwalbe's test on their own tyres. Wide tyres won in all situations apart from furious freds on tarmac. Despite the higher weight the wider tyres rolled better over all terrain. I'm now in the process of converting 100% to 2.2 width

i'm very happy with my 2.25 racing ralph and rocket ron in offroad, but on asphalt i was faster with narrower tyres so i decided to keep narrow profile on my ht, but on my fs i'm much happier with 2.25 profile.

 

[culturesponge]

my choice for fast XC riding would be Racing Ralph Evo 2.1 (440g), for me they have been the best overall performing hardpack tire, but shop around for the best prices + buy an extra set - as they don't last long especially if you do any tarmac to/from trailheads

specifically for a hardtail, i'm really liking Race King Super Sonic 2.2 (480g), grippy, baloony tires with a chili rubber compound that doesn't get gnarled up if there's some tarmac, @ under 22psi they can get squirmy on tight switchbacks for me (i'm 172kg) @ approx 25 front 27psi rear they are very hard to beat for comfort + grip

hutchinson python (tubeless ready) are a great budget fast rolling tire, if you'd rather spend money on petrol to drive to distant trails than burn hard earned cash on racing rubber they are a solid choice.

hope that's of help

.......edit.........

second thoughts...

fastest of all might be Furious Fred Evo 26x2.0 (300g) rear + Rocket Ron EVO 26x2.25 (440g) upfront

let me know how you get on if you try this combo, its on my list of things to do