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hey guys and girls, ive been reading on here alot but just signed up for the site a little bit ago. the site is awesome w/ tons of great info. any way, i have a 2008 hardrock pro im looking to upgrade. i love the bike, and i feel like its a solid platform to done some work too.

i live in fl, so obviously there isnt crazh am or dh riding to be done , but some of the xc stuff gets pretty rough with decent drops, climbs and fast single tracks. so heres what i was thinking:

id like to run a 1x9 setup using a raceface diabolus cranks set w/ e.thirteen chain guide w/ 38t chainring.

also looking at a set of mavic ex721 wheels w/ shimano deoroe m525 hubs. now ive read that the hubs are garbage, but the rims are actually darn near bomb proof. what do you guys think?

and im also looking for a new fork, the stock one has 80mm of travel which bottoms out easily...so im looking for a 120 maybe even a 130? any suggestions would be great on that subject.

again, im a newbie and all info, suggestions would be awesome, thanks alot.

-kris
 

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If you want to make the biggest upgrade, get some lighter wheels. Go to www.notubes.com and hook it up. It'll drop more than a pound of rotating weight and it will handle way better.
 

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6'1 225...weight hasnr been an issue....i can get through the trails. i just feel like the crank arms flex an bit...and sometimes the chain moves so much going down the roots and stuff it skips. thats why i was looking at the chain guide single ring option. i rarely ever change out of the 34t
 

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Get some Arch rims built up to the ZTR hubs. If you want a stiffer crank, the XT are plenty light and stiff. I would definitely go with something with an external bottom bracket design. You can run it as a single ring up front with a simple chain guide. Problem solvers makes a very inexpensive one and serves it's purpose for much less than a "true" chain guide.
 

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i was looking at the e.thirteen guide and the raceface crank set because theres a combo for sale for 100 bucks for both of them....they are used but both look mint.
 

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Same bike and plans here

Funny I am thinking of upgrading my Hardrock as well. My thought was is it worth it - i might be able to get a used bike for the price of upgrades. I have a new SJ FSR 29er and thought -i might as well step up my hardtail

Not sure about going over 100mm on the shock it has - that might mess up the geo

I am thinking of starting with the wheel. But after that if i went 2x10 (you are looking at 1x9) then upgrade cranks and bars and so on its going to cost way more than the original bike.

will be interesting to see what other say

Funny thing is my thought is that I can upgrade the bike and my wife wont know :)

a new bike is easy to spot out...

anyone know what the Hardrock frames weigh? I have an xl -21 inch they have it listed as
 

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its actually a typo, itd be a 1x8. my bike is stock as well except for wellgo mg1 pedals, raceface bars and lock on grips. the crankset/chain guide only came into play because i found a killer deal on raceface diabolus crank set with the e. thirteen guide all for 100 bucks.

other than running a tubless wheel setup not much light has been shed. hope more comes in the near future lol
 

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Sure it's the '08? Specialized's archive lists that model and year (Pro, in '08) with a 100mm travel fork. It's a Suntour, so you can't get a spring kit for it, to my knowledge. You don't actually need more travel but you do need a stiffer spring rate to solve your bottom-out problem, and that means a new fork with low-end stuff like this. :( You can spend anywhere from $200 to over $1000 for a nice suspension fork in this size - what's your budget?

I've actually been pretty impressed with Deore hubs. Mine have lasted several seasons and are still running very smooth, without needing a repack yet. A lot of people don't know WTF they're doing with maintenance, although to be fair, I haven't had to do any maintenance on mine yet either. But that can sometimes explain poor reviews of products.

I suspect the frame weighs about four and a half pounds. This is based on the '07 frame having the same geometry numbers and material name as the most of the '07 Rockhopper frames, which do have weights posted on sites like weightweenies.starbike.com. However, I haven't actually stripped mine and weighed the frame, so take this information for what it is. Replacing a 4.5 lb frame with even a fairly modest racer (say 3.5 lb) is going to be one of the better dollars/gram weight trimming upgrades, but honestly, it's also the least bad place on a bike to have a little extra fat - it's not high like the saddle, or rotating like the rims and tires.
 

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yes its an 08' but like the newbie i simply read the specs wrong. sorry about that. im somewhat on a tight budget since this is just a hobby right now and im not to the point where i feel that i would get the full benefits from a high dollar fork.

any ideas?
 

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I bought a Manitou R7 on EBay a couple years ago. Got it in a slightly odd size, so not many people bid on it. That's one way to go - just read a lot of reviews. There are some pitfalls, since forks do wear out, but much of the time people don't use them that much, and a lot are taken off new bikes.

For new forks, people have been talking up the Manitou Match, and the RockShox Tora series (especially the 318) has some popular options. The Recon is another one to look at.
 

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By this weekend I will have upgraded everything on my Hardrock, its a great bike but I have to have a new frame this year, but all the new parts will carry over.
-Tora SL solo air was a wonderful upgrade, only $100 form another member on here
-bent both factory Alex HRD rims, replaced with a budget build of Stans Flows with X7 hubs, new Captain Armadillo S works tires and tubeless for $500
-replaced the factory crank with '11 Stylo GXP 32t 1.1 and new platforms $150
-Sunline V1 OS flat bar, ESI chunky grips, nicer Specialized 100mm stem
-Formula RX brakes, as new condition with only 50 miles on them for $160
-used Stylo team setback seatpost and new Bontrage Inform RL saddle, $55 total
-this week I finish my drivetrain swap with all new '11 X9 rear mid der, pg-980 cassette, X9 9 speed shifter, pc-991 chain all for $265

I know this is allot dumped into an entry level bike but these are all parts that will carry over to my next bike, I'll buy a new frame. As I was new to biking last summer I have learned about gear as I became a more skilled rider and replaced parts as they failed with parts I knew I could best utilize, all with the mindset that I could use them on my next rig.

I'll order something along the lines of a new Stumpjumper 29er M5 frame or a niner perhaps, will stick with a hardtail and nothing more than about $750.
 

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madsedan said:
By this weekend I will have upgraded everything on my Hardrock, its a great bike but I have to have a new frame this year, but all the new parts will carry over.
-Tora SL solo air was a wonderful upgrade, only $100 form another member on here
-bent both factory Alex HRD rims, replaced with a budget build of Stans Flows with X7 hubs, new Captain Armadillo S works tires and tubeless for $500
-replaced the factory crank with '11 Stylo GXP 32t 1.1 and new platforms $150
-Sunline V1 OS flat bar, ESI chunky grips, nicer Specialized 100mm stem
-Formula RX brakes, as new condition with only 50 miles on them for $160
-used Stylo team setback seatpost and new Bontrage Inform RL saddle, $55 total
-this week I finish my drivetrain swap with all new '11 X9 rear mid der, pg-980 cassette, X9 9 speed shifter, pc-991 chain all for $265

I know this is allot dumped into an entry level bike but these are all parts that will carry over to my next bike, I'll buy a new frame. As I was new to biking last summer I have learned about gear as I became a more skilled rider and replaced parts as they failed with parts I knew I could best utilize, all with the mindset that I could use them on my next rig.

I'll order something along the lines of a new Stumpjumper 29er M5 frame or a niner perhaps, will stick with a hardtail and nothing more than about $750.
Not to go off track. But post up a picture of that thing...........I remember seeing it when you first got it, then you put rims and fork on it. Last time I saw it.........
 

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Yes.

If some silly person with more money to spend goes elsewhere, that leaves a perfectly functional fork for you, for less.

Usually the really prominent part, that sticks out in front, is removable. Destructively if not in a purpose-built way.
 

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I just dropped my bike off at the shop to have the rest of the drivetrain swap done, we threw it on the scale and it was exactly 28# before the new parts, it'll likely end up around 27.5# when it leaves the shop.
 

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found a 2011 Marzocchi 44 RLO for 150 local....hows that for a upgrade? the reviews seem to be very positive. what do you guys think?
 

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Wheels are gonna be your best upgrades, Stans makes some great ones, go tubeless, its the tits. Drop that rotating mass and pick up the speed. I would say my next best upgrades were a good air fork and bettering the contact points on the bike. Then drive train.

My '10 Hardrock is 26# 4oz the last time I weighed it. I just replaced the rear with a lighter tire(2Bliss Fast Trak to 2Bliss Renegade), so saving a bit more weight there as well. There's another 1lb plus to lose with some simple upgrades. The idea of tossing all my upgrades on another bike is tempting, but I'm really not going to gain an awefull lot at this point, maybe a pound on a lighter frame? I'm continually suprised by what my little HR can do.
 
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