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just starting to ride trails and im debating whether to get a Hardrock or a P1??????? Any feed back??
 

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Different animals. XC Trails only...Hard Rock. Ever want to get into Dirt Jump or Urban or Park...P1. The P-Bike is trail rideable on tame XC trails. The Hard Rock won't hold up to the kind of riding a P1 is made for.
 

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jbird102 said:
just starting to ride trails and im debating whether to get a Hardrock or a P1??????? Any feed back??
I'm guessing you're debating the p.1 all mountain, right? I made that decision about a month ago, and went with the P.2 am (I would have gone for the p.1 but the shop didn't had the p.1 on my size). The p.1 frame does look a lot sturdier than the HR. I prefered the SRAM x.4 over the Shimano something (don't remember the group) on the HR.

I think that if you're starting riding, the p.1 will be more forgiving on the falls and if you go a bit over your skill lever. The weight difference isn't that much (I didn't weight them, but I'm really thinking it's not much).

If you could go for the p.2 over the p.1 you will get a lockout fork, better brake levers, different crankset and different wheelset.
 

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I'm guessing you're debating the p.1 all mountain, right? I made that decision about a month ago, and went with the P.2 am (I would have gone for the p.1 but the shop didn't had the p.1 on my size). The p.1 frame does look a lot sturdier than the HR. I prefered the SRAM x.4 over the Shimano something (don't remember the group) on the HR.

I think that if you're starting riding, the p.1 will be more forgiving on the falls and if you go a bit over your skill lever. The weight difference isn't that much (I didn't weight them, but I'm really thinking it's not much).

If you could go for the p.2 over the p.1 you will get a lockout fork, better brake levers, different crankset and different wheelset.
Specialized doesn't make a P2 all mountain. Perhaps your shop upgraded a P1 Am...

For the OP, the P1 AM and Hardrock are similar, but the P1 has a sturdier frame and a slightly slacker HA, only by .25 inch though. Obviously, different components. I can tell you my P1 is fun on the trails and the skate park. Whatever one you get though, at least make sure you get disc brakes. And plan on upgrading down the road since neither bike has components that you'll want to keep a long time.
 

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Specialized doesn't make a P2 all mountain. Perhaps your shop upgraded a P1 Am...

For the OP, the P1 AM and Hardrock are similar, but the P1 has a sturdier frame and a slightly slacker HA, only by .25 inch though. Obviously, different components. I can tell you my P1 is fun on the trails and the skate park. Whatever one you get though, at least make sure you get disc brakes. And plan on upgrading down the road since neither bike has components that you'll want to keep a long time.
It does, and it says so on the downtube..... Maybe it doesn't sell it in the USA (I'm in Mexico). Check the specialized site for Spain or Europe and you'll see the p.2 am posted. It's not on the USA site.
 

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It does, and it says so on the downtube..... Maybe it doesn't sell it in the USA (I'm in Mexico). Check the specialized site for Spain or Europe and you'll see the p.2 am posted. It's not on the USA site.
You sure are right! I checked the Mexico site and it was there. I never knew. And as you said, they're spec'd out differently. Thanks for pointing this out to me!
 

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You sure are right! I checked the Mexico site and it was there. I never knew. And as you said, they're spec'd out differently. Thanks for pointing this out to me!
I don't understand why they don't sell the p.2 am on the USA, it's not a night and day difference in specs from the p.1, but it has some nice things.
 

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i just got the P.1 AM and its a pretty good bike, i'd def get it over a hardrock.

i chose the P.1 AM over the rockhopper due to the sturdier frame and better fork. the dart 3's on the rockhopper looked thinner and weaker than the fat shocks on the P.1 AM. i also got the disc brakes over the (same priced) rock hopper which only had v-brakes.
 
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