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Looking at getting an Am bike, but I want to use Hammerschmidt on it. The only bikes I know of are Diamondback Mission and the Nomad. Preferably slacker and lower. Any you can think of?
 

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Looking at getting an Am bike, but I want to use Hammerschmidt on it. The only bikes I know of are Diamondback Mission and the Nomad. Preferably slacker and lower. Any you can think of?
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A high forward single pivot (and many other designs) will pedal worse with a hammerschit. I'd contact the mfg and ask how much effect it will have.
 

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A high forward single pivot (and many other designs) will pedal worse with a hammerschit. I'd contact the mfg and ask how much effect it will have.
I've read that too. Read it. Unfortunately for folks who have yet to try it, many don't take into consideration a few things.

1. With a good shock with a nice platform (RP23 or Monarch 4.2 etc) it's a moot point
2. Disregarding my first point, it's no worse than a 1x9 setup.
3. Even in the 34 out back, the bike pedals better than many I've put a lot of time on (Sinister, Trek Liquid series etc etc.
4. I may be telling tales out of school but this bike really likes less platform. With the previous RP23 on and teh HS, it was nice with the platform dialed into 1.

Too many folks on the internet spend too much time hypothesizing about how something may or may not work in theory and not enough time out riding their theory's.

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I've read that too. Read it. Unfortunately for folks who have yet to try it, many don't take into consideration a few things.

1. With a good shock with a nice platform (RP23 or Monarch 4.2 etc) it's a moot point
2. Disregarding my first point, it's no worse than a 1x9 setup.
3. Even in the 34 out back, the bike pedals better than many I've put a lot of time on (Sinister, Trek Liquid series etc etc.
4. I may be telling tales out of school but this bike really likes less platform. With the previous RP23 on and teh HS, it was nice with the platform dialed into 1.

Too many folks on the internet spend too much time hypothesizing about how something may or may not work in theory and not enough time out riding their theory's.

RJ
Good thing I have an Uzzi VPX with dual rings so I know how it pedals in both... and a Hammershit would cripple the Uzzi's pedaling ability. So,

1. Just what we need, more platform :rolleyes: A good sus shouldn't need much platform, if at all. Platform also doesn't stop pedal feedback, which with a hf pivot and 22t chainring, will be A LOT worse than the same bike with a 32-36t ring up front.

2. Its much worse than a 1x9 setup, unless the 1x9 uses a 22t ring. This is all about chain angle, which you haven't quite understood yet.

But anyway, thanks for thinking that I'm an armchair engineer who never rides. You don't know me, so STFU.
 

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Good thing I have an Uzzi VPX with dual rings so I know how it pedals in both... and a Hammershit would cripple the Uzzi's pedaling ability. So,

1. Just what we need, more platform :rolleyes: A good sus shouldn't need much platform, if at all. Platform also doesn't stop pedal feedback, which with a hf pivot and 22t chainring, will be A LOT worse than the same bike with a 32-36t ring up front.

2. Its much worse than a 1x9 setup, unless the 1x9 uses a 22t ring. This is all about chain angle, which you haven't quite understood yet.

But anyway, thanks for thinking that I'm an armchair engineer who never rides. You don't know me, so STFU.
Nice, nice. Maybe you could now expound about "brake jack" too? That's a big one with folks who like to slag single pivots LOL.

Anyhow, get a stick and pull your panties out of your cooter. I wasn't assuming you were an armchair engineer...you assumed that I did. I was more making a statement in reference to how so many people like to just drop one or two sentence blurbs.

Interesting that the Uzzi pedals so badly in the granny ring. The Sinister does not. Only on flat fireroad spinning away in granny. I did it just to see what it would be like...who spins while in granny? here in New England you're grinding around roots and rocks if you're in granny. In that case the active suspension is all you're noticing not any "bob." And again, the bike likes very little platform to begin with. Maybe the difference in geometry's, but I would automatically assume your VPX would pedal better than my single pivot...again, I have no answer for you.

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tozovr said:
I wasn't assuming you were an armchair engineer...you assumed that I did. I was more making a statement in reference to how so many people like to just drop one or two sentence blurbs.

Cheers!

RJ
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Too many folks on the internet spend too much time hypothesizing about how something may or may not work in theory and not enough time out riding their theory's.
I wonder why I might have thought that? :madman:

Anyway, I can gaurantee that a hf single pivot will have more pedal feedback than my Uzzi. Perhaps you don't understand what pedal feedback is? You certainly won't notice it going up a smooth fire road. See, if you had a proper crankset you might notice a difference between the granny and middle rings :p
 

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davec113 said:
I wonder why I might have thought that? :madman:

Anyway, I can gaurantee that a hf single pivot will have more pedal feedback than my Uzzi. Perhaps you don't understand what pedal feedback is? You certainly won't notice it going up a smooth fire road. See, if you had a proper crankset you might notice a difference between the granny and middle rings :p
You mean like the Saints I had on before the Hammer? I don't know what pedal feedback is, you do, he doesn't, this is worse than that one...blah blah...this is my entire point. If you let it consume you, any small thing on a bike will ruin a ride or make you obsess even more. Just ride man.

For the record, I've been riding since '87 or so and do know what "pedal Feedback" is. I can it pedal bob. I'm not a guy who spins. I'm all torque, so I tend to keep in a harder gear. It suits my riding style. So, to be fair, I tend to see pedal feedback less than most. Your results may vary. Go ride your bike, have an awesome day and if you're ever in Maine, come ride my bike for a day or two. I'm serious. I think you will find the Hammerschmidt does just fine.

RJ
 

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tozovr said:
I've read that too. Read it. Unfortunately for folks who have yet to try it, many don't take into consideration a few things.
2. Disregarding my first point, it's no worse than a 1x9 setup.

RJ
Anyone running a 1x9 with a 22 or a 24 tooth ring? :skep:
 

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tozovr said:
Too many folks on the internet spend too much time hypothesizing about how something may or may not work in theory and not enough time out riding their theory's.

RJ
Agreed dude, like Rufus says looks badass and I can't wait to one day try the HS on my RFX, funnily enough Greg Herbold helped proto test that on his bike [RFX] for sometime so I'm all for pro for it, amazes me how some are so anti it already, I would have liked to have seen a better cable route option is all but maybe v.2 :thumbsup:
 

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Anyone running a 1x9 with a 22 or a 24 tooth ring? :skep:
The difference is that you may be running a 24T but you're not necessarily riding it on the 34t out back...you're not spinning high rpms here. Tell you what. Try it. If you like it and have the coin do it. If you don't like it, don't do it.

I went into it with a blank slate...I wasn't someone who thought it wouldn't work or that it would be the new Holy Grail of shifty bits. I wasn't someone who just shelled out $700 for it. It was given to me. Frankly, I think it's an answer to a question I never asked. Like gearbox bikes I see no huge boon to cycling. I like 1x9 and I love my SS, but this system works and it works well even on my single pivot. It's a neat idea with a clean execution. I like how quickly it shifts and I like that I can be at the bottom of a nasty climb and just hit the trigger...no waiting for the chain to drop or the ramps and pins. Would I drop over $700 for the setup? No. No way man. Do I like it? yeah. What don't I like? getting used to new ratios. I normally run a 32 up front and 11-34 out back...This has me shifting more up front just to find my sweet spot. Likely find a groove the more I ride it.

I think I came off a bit harshly to DaveC113 earlier but I do have a pet peave about things like Brake Jack etc. My take on Brake jack is like this subect...9 out of 10 guys who post about brake jack wouldn't know it from Jack and the beanstalk. They parrot crap they read here and read in magazines. Brake jack has been coming up more and more as a result of Kona/SC offering the DOPE system.

Does bike X have brake jack under braking? Probably. Will it adversely affect the way 99% of guys ride their bikes? No. You ride the bike and adapt to all of the handling traits, good bad or indifferent. After a few rides you'll be killing it and wondering what the hell everyone is talking about. Will the brake jack go away with a DOPE system/brake therapy dealio? sure but you'll just end up adapting to the way THAT system rides, good bad or indifferent.

If more parrots would shut the heck up and just ride, the world would have far less misinformation.

I took my pet peeve out on davec113 by sweeping him into a generalization I made. Just as some folks here are just taking snippets of info about Hammeschmidt and forming half-baked conclusions.

I spend a lot of time on my bikes. I used to really hyper-focus on random minutia and let it take away from my ride. I took a step back. By not obsessing over things that get trumped up by magazines and websites, I have given new parts and even different bikes a chance that I may have passed on before based on random info I'd read or heard.

At the end of the day, try it for yourself. ANYONE in New England who wants to take my bike for a day just to demo the HS drop me a line. make up your own mind.
 

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The difference is that you may be running a 24T but you're not necessarily riding it on the 34t out back...you're not spinning high rpms here. Tell you what. Try it. If you like it and have the coin do it. If you don't like it, don't do it.

I went into it with a blank slate...I wasn't someone who thought it wouldn't work or that it would be the new Holy Grail of shifty bits. I wasn't someone who just shelled out $700 for it. It was given to me. Frankly, I think it's an answer to a question I never asked. Like gearbox bikes I see no huge boon to cycling. I like 1x9 and I love my SS, but this system works and it works well even on my single pivot. It's a neat idea with a clean execution. I like how quickly it shifts and I like that I can be at the bottom of a nasty climb and just hit the trigger...no waiting for the chain to drop or the ramps and pins. Would I drop over $700 for the setup? No. No way man. Do I like it? yeah. What don't I like? getting used to new ratios. I normally run a 32 up front and 11-34 out back...This has me shifting more up front just to find my sweet spot. Likely find a groove the more I ride it.

I think I came off a bit harshly to DaveC113 earlier but I do have a pet peave about things like Brake Jack etc. My take on Brake jack is like this subect...9 out of 10 guys who post about brake jack wouldn't know it from Jack and the beanstalk. They parrot crap they read here and read in magazines. Brake jack has been coming up more and more as a result of Kona/SC offering the DOPE system.

Does bike X have brake jack under braking? Probably. Will it adversely affect the way 99% of guys ride their bikes? No. You ride the bike and adapt to all of the handling traits, good bad or indifferent. After a few rides you'll be killing it and wondering what the hell everyone is talking about. Will the brake jack go away with a DOPE system/brake therapy dealio? sure but you'll just end up adapting to the way THAT system rides, good bad or indifferent.

If more parrots would shut the heck up and just ride, the world would have far less misinformation.

I took my pet peeve out on davec113 by sweeping him into a generalization I made. Just as some folks here are just taking snippets of info about Hammeschmidt and forming half-baked conclusions.

I spend a lot of time on my bikes. I used to really hyper-focus on random minutia and let it take away from my ride. I took a step back. By not obsessing over things that get trumped up by magazines and websites, I have given new parts and even different bikes a chance that I may have passed on before based on random info I'd read or heard.

At the end of the day, try it for yourself. ANYONE in New England who wants to take my bike for a day just to demo the HS drop me a line. make up your own mind.
I had a long post about this but RJ summed it up beautifully.
davec113 said:
A high forward single pivot (and many other designs) will pedal worse with a hammerschit. I'd contact the mfg and ask how much effect it will have.
Other than an Uzzi, what other single pivot am rigs have you ridden, especially with a hammer on it? Don't rip on someone about generalization only to make a HUGE generalization yourself.
Just enjoy your ride and stop focusing on the littlest things that sicklines and other review sites say.
RJ, I would love a review of the hammer on the gruitr, I am seriously thinking about putting one on mine.
 

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tozovr said:
The difference is that you may be running a 24T but you're not necessarily riding it on the 34t out back...you're not spinning high rpms here. Tell you what. Try it. If you like it and have the coin do it. If you don't like it, don't do it.

I went into it with a blank slate...I wasn't someone who thought it wouldn't work or that it would be the new Holy Grail of shifty bits. I wasn't someone who just shelled out $700 for it. It was given to me. Frankly, I think it's an answer to a question I never asked. Like gearbox bikes I see no huge boon to cycling. I like 1x9 and I love my SS, but this system works and it works well even on my single pivot. It's a neat idea with a clean execution. I like how quickly it shifts and I like that I can be at the bottom of a nasty climb and just hit the trigger...no waiting for the chain to drop or the ramps and pins. Would I drop over $700 for the setup? No. No way man. Do I like it? yeah. What don't I like? getting used to new ratios. I normally run a 32 up front and 11-34 out back...This has me shifting more up front just to find my sweet spot. Likely find a groove the more I ride it.

I think I came off a bit harshly to DaveC113 earlier but I do have a pet peave about things like Brake Jack etc. My take on Brake jack is like this subect...9 out of 10 guys who post about brake jack wouldn't know it from Jack and the beanstalk. They parrot crap they read here and read in magazines. Brake jack has been coming up more and more as a result of Kona/SC offering the DOPE system.

Does bike X have brake jack under braking? Probably. Will it adversely affect the way 99% of guys ride their bikes? No. You ride the bike and adapt to all of the handling traits, good bad or indifferent. After a few rides you'll be killing it and wondering what the hell everyone is talking about. Will the brake jack go away with a DOPE system/brake therapy dealio? sure but you'll just end up adapting to the way THAT system rides, good bad or indifferent.

If more parrots would shut the heck up and just ride, the world would have far less misinformation.

I took my pet peeve out on davec113 by sweeping him into a generalization I made. Just as some folks here are just taking snippets of info about Hammeschmidt and forming half-baked conclusions.

I spend a lot of time on my bikes. I used to really hyper-focus on random minutia and let it take away from my ride. I took a step back. By not obsessing over things that get trumped up by magazines and websites, I have given new parts and even different bikes a chance that I may have passed on before based on random info I'd read or heard.

At the end of the day, try it for yourself. ANYONE in New England who wants to take my bike for a day just to demo the HS drop me a line. make up your own mind.
Bloody awesome and well summed up all round, if I was in New England I would love to go ride with ya sometime bit far away, cheers for telling it like ya see it :thumbsup:
 
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