[ocd]

Some images from the DMM 'Preserve' website

I found this to be relatively humorous in a "were fu*ck*d" kind of way.

Specific pics for mountain biking.

Picture #1 (rocky, singletrack?)

<img src=https://www.thepreserveatdelmar.com/images/lifestyle_beach.jpg>

Picture #2 of the seemingly 'trails to come'

<img src=https://www.thepreserveatdelmar.com/images/pict_mesa.jpg>

The Eucalyptus that looks like a one time landmark (it has been bulldozed I am sure)
<img src=https://www.thepreserveatdelmar.com/photos007a/trunkfog_jpg.jpg>

and the beauty of the home opportunities
<img src=https://www.thepreserveatdelmar.com/photos007a/DSC_0005.jpg>

We should be thinking a few years down the road, to economic recovery, when others wil be looking to bulldoze any other remaining non-developed land and build these wonderful (cough) communities.

 

[dudevf1]

And then when the communities of the future are built there, the City, in its infinite foolishness/greed and desires to 'appease" enviro-nazis, will declare some other other trails somewhere else in the City totally off-limits to preserve their B.S. "habitats", i.e., voting blocks.

 

[El Salt]

Soon it will ALL be paved over anyway. The only "Green" will be that thin strip of lawn between the sidewalk and the street.

 

[Duzitall]

Soon it will ALL be paved over anyway. The only "Green" will be that thin strip of lawn between the sidewalk and the street.

And that "green" parkway lawn between the sidewalk and the street will be astro-turf because we are saving the water for the sacramento river smelt.

 

[MTP]

We're getting Californicated.

 

[EBasil]

The Eucalyptus that looks like a one time landmark (it has been bulldozed I am sure)
<img src=https://www.thepreserveatdelmar.com/photos007a/trunkfog_jpg.jpg>

Yep, long gone. That one was right at the former top of the climb, at the intersection where one either kept on going west to the top of Cobblestone or the DMM, or turned south to head for the Shits and the pond. That photo looks northerly across the road going e/w in the background there, and it was located about where what might be a white construction trailer is in the photo that followed in your posting.

Here n' gone.

 

[HarryCallahan]

Do you like fresh water?

And that "green" parkway lawn between the sidewalk and the street will be astro-turf because we are saving the water for the Sacramento river smelt.

Hi,

I'm not looking to start a flame war here. Just take a moment and hear me out.
It's easy to make fun of something you don't see a value in. Here's the thing about delta smelt. It's not like they are economically important like salmon. But smelt require fresh water of a certain quality, and don't deal well with salt water. Since a big chunk of the Norcal water that gets sent to Socal goes through the Sacramento Delta, the smelt are a pretty reliable indicator of water quality in the delta.

HC

 

[Duzitall]

It's easy to make fun of something you don't see a value in.

You have made an incorrect assumption.

I do like fresh water. I'm also a very dedicated conservationist. My household recycles much more and uses much less than any other household of comparable size I personally know of.

My wife and I are currently getting quotes from artificial turf installers so we can stop watering our tiny lawn.

We want to save our water use for our avacados, citrus and vegetable garden :thumbsup:

But now that you mention it I do not appreciate junk science nor political grandstanding in the name of conservation. That is exactly what too much environmental policy is based on.

 

[HarryCallahan]

I do like fresh water. I'm also a very dedicated conservationist. My household recycles much more and uses much less than any other household of comparable size I personally know of.
...

My wife and I are currently getting quotes from artificial turf installers so we can stop watering our tiny lawn.
...
We want to save our water use for our avocados, citrus and vegetable garden :thumbsup:

Cool! Good for you. I think we agree. If it were me, I'd skip the astroturf and plant something else.

I wasn't picking on you personally, and that's why I worded my post so politely and carefully. You may not be making fun of something, but the words you used definitely are used by some to make fun of a complicated situation.

There's folks that want to pit Norcal versus Socal. I'm not one of 'em. I'm originally from Orange. There's folks that don't want to ship any water south. I'm not one of 'em.

So would you be kind enough to explain what you mean by junk science and political grandstanding?

Thanks,

HC

 

[Duzitall]

So would you be kind enough to explain what you mean by junk science and political grandstanding?
HC

I'm not saying it's true in the case of the smelt but in the past judges and polititions have used the guise of being truely concerned about the environment simply to further their careers.

Also some conservation organizations have falsified reports and clouded the facts simply to advance their agendas. While I agree with the cause it's the methods I don't care for.

That type of thing doesn't do anything positive for credability of responsible science or advancement of protecting our wonderful mother.

Sorry to go into any type of political discussion in the SoCal forum. My bad.

 

[HarryCallahan]

duzitall,

Thanks. I think we are on the same page. I sometimes wonder whether when any issue gets to the state or national level whether it doesn't get over-simplified down to competing over-simplifications and soundbites.

 

[mtbbill]

Some images from the DMM 'Preserve' website

I found this to be relatively humorous in a "were fu*ck*d" kind of way.

A few years back, shortly after the preserve bulldozed the top of powerline, the developer's folks wanted to make a generous "donation" to my site if I would shoot one of my videos for them of the trails in PQ so they could use it to help sell thier units. I was polite enough to blow them off instead of telling them to F-off directly. I thought it was pretty freaking ballsy to bulldoze trails and then ask a trail-user to help sell thier crap.

 

[Missing in Action]

At one time, maybe 6 months or a year ago, The Preserve had a map of trails on their website which included some of the tunnel trails and adjoining mesa trails. They were using the existence of these trails to sell the "outdoor experience" of The Preserve.

 

[EBasil]

At one time, maybe 6 months or a year ago, The Preserve had a map of trails on their website which included some of the tunnel trails and adjoining mesa trails.

Can you use The WayBack Machine to find those pages and either link them here or PM links to me?

 

[Missing in Action]

Can you use The WayBack Machine to find those pages and either link them here or PM links to me?

I spent about 20 mins. searching through the wayback machine. There are dates when their website was changed, but I wasn't able to get any old website pages. They just come up blank. Perhaps someone with a little more internet savvy would fare better. There is a map in their current online brocure which does show some of the currently closed mesa trails, including trails through the wildlife preserve, but it doesn't show any of the canopied trails. The map I saw definitely had trails through some of the tunnels. The Preserve will have those documents, but unless this becomes part of a legal proceeding, good luck getting any cooperation.

 

[jSatch]

How sad.

 

[jSatch]

Some images from the DMM 'Preserve' website

I found this to be relatively humorous in a "were fu*ck*d" kind of way.

Specific pics for mountain biking.

Picture #2 of the seemingly 'trails to come'

<img src=https://www.thepreserveatdelmar.com/images/pict_mesa.jpg>

Should be just about perfect for my new ride

 

[williamtuft]

after Del Mar Mesa........

I am thinking ahead to additional areas where we can all hike and ride without having problems with landowners & bureaucrats. After a visit to the ridge north of Deer Lake last Thursday and Saturday I found what appears to be an area suitable for our use on the east side of the Hwy 56 bridge. There appear to be connecting canyons to a large area of open space that I assume was once the 4S Ranch.

From New Trails?

From what I could see there is a clear trail running under the Hwy 56 bridge to old Black Mountain Road and then on to what was once the 4S Ranch. The Google Earth images I have show connecting canyons that eventually lead to extensive open county. Does anyone know about current trails, fences, locked gates, irate land owners, etc? I'm looking for new opportunities to ride what lands remains to us. Any input would be appreciated.

 

[MTP]

Williamtuft:

Looks like you're talking about the dirt road that heads east toward Camino Del Sur. If you follow that about a mile east/north from where it passes under the 56, you'll end up at Camino Del Sur. From there you can cross the intersection at Carmel Valley Rd. and head into the eastward trails in Santa Luz, which lead to Black Mountain. Black Mtn. holds up well after rain. But Santa Luz is not good for a week after the rain.

This is all my backyard riding. If you want to be shown around, I'll probably be riding Black Mtn. Saturday a.m., PM me.
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