two years ago, rolling in from the canadian prologue a start-line Bud was just what the doctor prescribed but pete basinger was the only one willing to share one with me. folks are surprisingly gripped sometimes at the roll-out of this biggie. riders would do well to have fun the first day. it gets tough after that.SlowerThenSnot said:Who's gonna have a beer with me June 15 at about 11:30am in port roos.....
i never had issues with mine, pete. start with freshies, obviously.pbasinger said:Scott and Matt,
what have you guys used?
I love the Nano Raptor, but seemed like I was patching tears in the thing everyday the last GDR.
I am really temped to do it with the prolog I just not sure of taking a few more days off... I've got a month off and I'm shooting for an avg 100 miles a day.... with a few travel days and a few for un knowns.... However its sound like such a cool section of trail i think i'd need 3-3 1/2 days to get that section done.... However i'm still thinking about it!mathewsen said:While the GDR discussions play out through the year, I'll be the hated one again and bring up the 221mi Canadian Prologue to spur the debate on its inclusion in this race. As far as I know I still stand alone in my conviction about it, save one significant person.
I hung out for a bit with Divide Route ITT pioneer John Stamstad in Vegas last month and we spoke about the Canadian section. He said he would have ridden from Banff if the Alberta/BC section were complete at the time he raced in `99. He thinks evolution can be good for this event. He suggested that if race direction will see nothing of expansion then the only way to get it done is to, as a race challenger, simultaneously complete the Prologue and own the record on the conti-US section. A tall order, for sure.
I tried to pull off both last year and fell short for a list of reasons. But, is being the fastest really enough to see the race evolve? Will rewriting the conti-US record and busting out the Canadian Section in the same effort really motivate racers that follow in subsequent years to start in Banff?
I would enjoy hearing intelligible arguments against Canada's inclusion other than:
-The race is long enough already
-GDR was conceived as a border to border race.
If racers were concerned about length/difficulty, the wouldn't be lining up for the GDR.
As I see it, GDR is a race on a route called the Great Divide MTB Route. This route begins in Banff, AB and runs to Antelope Wells, NM.
Hummmmathewsen said:two years ago, rolling in from the canadian prologue a start-line Bud was just what the doctor prescribed but pete basinger was the only one willing to share one with me. folks are surprisingly gripped sometimes at the roll-out of this biggie. riders would do well to have fun the first day. it gets tough after that.
dave, if i were you, i'd much rather sip some of that really good colorado whiskey you distill up in denver, co. the prize bottle you bestowed upon me last year went a long way to making my NC friends happy.
maybe you can offer up another bottle (or two) as a prime for the first racer to make it into colorado. in `04 there were multiple primes for the GDR. this year's field should bring them back to the table.
I just got back from meeting the guys at ERGON in Koblenz, Germany. I was able to get out on a bike for about 2.5 hours. During this time i got to use the new backpack, and the new carbon seatpost. All I can say is....MIND BLOWING!! :eekster:francois said:
Spending 12 hrs on the bike a few hours for food water pee breaks... then try for 10 of sleep.... I used a fowm pad last year pob gonna go for a few more ocnces and cary a terma rest or a big aggie pad just to get some better sleep... Although take my advice with a grain of salt what works for me might not for you... Plan a four or five day trip and beat the sh*t out of your self and see what works...DBCooper said:This question is for any of the GDMBR Vets: Last year Rudi Nadler mentioned the difficulties he had getting quality sleep during the race. I know that from solo back country touring that sometimes the 'bumps in the night' can get in the way of sleep. Do you think that it is easier or harder to get solid rest during the race than normal touring? Also, how much sleep are you getting each day?
We've heard: "The race is long enough already" and "The race was conceived of as a border to border challenge".pbasinger said:Many "intelligent" arguments against adding Matt's Canadian prologue to the race have been presented
No disrespect, but I fail to see the parallel. More than any organized endurance effort to date, Stamstad rode the Divide Route in 1999 with the intention of bequeathing it to the rest of us as an open challenge for all to test skills/limits via a fairly simple set of rules. Rules that he himself has interpreted to be much more about the style than the length. In this sense of charter, the effort was modeled as one of and for the people (to wax cliche). Race leadership may come and go. In the end my hope is that it will be the fields of racers from year-to-year that steer AND care the most about what they desire in return for their effort/sacrifices. The concept of racing the Divide Route will probably endure and likely evolve, whether in our age of racing or the next generation's. IMO, to cling too tightly to the original length/difficulty of this ITT is to impose a rule on the format that wasn't necessarily intended.pbasinger said:Just as I don't hop on the Trans Iowa thread trying to get them to include a chunk of Minnesota in their race or send endless emails to Granny Gear attempting to alter one of their 24 hour courses. I don't think Matt has any place to continue detracting from the GDR with this incessant campaigning to fundamentally change a race that has already been established.
Actually, Matt, you've heard a lot more reasons than that. And each of the dozen+ times they've been explained to you, you've disagreed and tried a weak verbal end-run around them, much as you've done below.mathewsen said:We've heard: "The race is long enough already" and "The race was conceived of as a border to border challenge".
Yep--that's just what you keep doing.mathewsen said:Any fool could look at the race, review the Divide Route description and wonder why the upper 220mi are not included.
John had a certain idea in mind when he TT'ed the route in '99. I spoke with him about it just before he started, and countless times since then, both verbally and via email.mathewsen said:No disrespect, but I fail to see the parallel. More than any organized endurance effort to date, Stamstad rode the Divide Route in 1999 with the intention of bequeathing it to the rest of us as an open challenge for all to test skills/limits via a fairly simple set of rules.
I'm sure you're hoping so. Race leadership hasn't changed since the race's inception, nor is it likely to.mathewsen said:Race leadership may come and go.
Christ on a flaming stick... you have been following the race for years, yet you can't answer those questions?jimbo said:I have a question. I love the long events, though I've done nothing longer yet than an mtb 100, and 175 on the road. If someone were to ride the GDMBR, reported in regularly and broke one of the records (M,F,SS), but didn't do it at the time of the race, would that count?
It seems that the idea of the GDR from the beginning, was to allow people attempting to speed ride the route the chance to do it at the same time as other people, not to limit when someone could attempt the route quickly. This is just by memory, from following the race over several years.
The other question I have is whether a record could be added to the GDR site for the entire GDMBR including Canada. Since it seems like any route can be included, why can't the record for the entire route be included? I'm not saying that the prologue should be part of the race, only that a record time could be added to the others already on the site. Many of those records were not set as part of a race anyway.
Anyway, I love reading about all these races, and living somewhat vicariously through the posts of the participants. I hope to do some myself in the future.