You will find this funnyI'll have the 853 please.
It would be awesome to see an adventure/ bikepacking bike in the line-up. I'm inches away from throwing down on a Karate Monkey/ Bootzipper today.
I'm completely ready to product test/ rep. the brand when it lands. Can you do it with an H-bar?You will find this funny
years ago I added a monster cross bike due to a post on MTBR that I read and responded too
I called it the GRAVITY ZILLA
so it’s changed over the years
started AL
now it’s CF — and bikepacking types started buying them like crazy
so I added a lower priced CF Zilla
then I just designed; spec,d and ordered two more ZILLA models in aluminum
as this bike packing thing is blowing up
and I about six months ago I ask my staff “you know what I want to do for bike packing customers”
two guys say at once “a ZILLA 853”
as they know me
then they say; forget it Adventure and bikepacking riders want AL or carbon
if I understand you correctly
thats at least one vote for steel in that type like
(2 if you count me LOL)
That's been Salsa's take but I think there are plenty who've been disappointed by their turn from steel. Honestly I'm not sure how much of that wasn't driven by wanting to increase differentiation from Surly rather being than market or product driven.“forget it! Adventure and bikepacking riders want AL or carbon”
Right now, it’s hard to get components at allI'm completely ready to product test/ rep. the brand when it lands. Can you do it with an H-bar?
What would be the difference in pricing if you built an adventure bike with 4130 tube set? I'd love to get one labeled unapologetically with "Bikesdirect.com" in block letters on the down tube, and with a set price instead of "60% off" of a price that you'll never ask for. I can PayPal you today with my pre-order if you can do it.Right now, it’s hard to get components at all
and changing would take time
currently I have ordered zilla with a special Ritchey handlebar
But I will look into getting the H-bar or something like that in the future
Thanks for the suggestion
Now we are talkingWhat would be the difference in pricing if you built an adventure bike with 4130 tube set? I'd love to get one labeled unapologetically with "Bikesdirect.com" in block letters on the down tube, and with a set price instead of "60% off" of a price that you'll never ask for. I can PayPal you today with my pre-order if you can do it.
You can make a flat bar version so H-bars can be a simple swap?Now we are talking
Sounds like a bike I would personally love...
I am going to design and spec a 4130 ZILLA with GRX400 based on your post
my target $1000 with wtb tcs rims and maxxis TR tires and hydro brakes
sounds like a bike I can get behind
IME, swapping flat bar to Jones often requires longer cables, unless they are left long by the factory.You can make a flat bar version so H-bars can be a simple swap?
I could swap cables and brake lines but wouldn’t want to change out for different shifters and levers.Swapping flat bar to Jones usually requires longer cables, unless they are left long by the factory.
This is an interesting ideaYou can make a flat bar version so H-bars can be a simple swap?
I really am walking the line between the two, but I can't be the only guy that wants one. If I buy one these bikes this season I'd get the One-One Bootzipper 29(even with the $200 shipping). Adventure bike/ "off road pub bike" kind of speaks to me, and I've always liked there raw steel finish ever since I had my Summer Season HT.I think most customers for bike like that today go for hardtail
but ZILLA and HT geo are different