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Which would you choice if each were 22.5 lbs and $2000?

Gravel bike with aluminum frame and CF fork
GRX 22-speed and 38c tires
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Gravel bike with Reynolds 853 and CF fork
GRX 22-speed and 38c tires

assume same frame geo on these two gravel bikes

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Would your answer change if it were two similar ATB hardtails at 28lbs and $2000 with same level forks and geo?
 

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For skinny tire rigid bikes, carbon or steel, but for that price it had better be carbon. Alu, just no.
 

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IMO, weight is the only reason to choose AL over steel (ok, maybe corrosion resistance for a winter bike). If the bikes weigh the same then steel every time.

Kind of surprised you could do 853 frame bikes with same spec as AL for the same price.
 

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IMO, weight is the only reason to choose AL over steel (ok, maybe corrosion resistance for a winter bike). If the bikes weigh the same then steel every time.

Kind of surprised you could do 853 frame bikes with same spec as AL for the same price.
you are right: I can not do 853 for the same price as aluminum
No one can

but I can easily sell 853 for the price that others charge for aluminum

JUST FYI
frame prices are in this order low to high

aluminum HT
4130 HT
CF HT
853 HT
AL FS
CF FS
Ti HT

I just wondering what knowledgeable customers prefer
 

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JUST FYI
frame prices are in this order low to high

aluminum HT
4130 HT
CF HT
853 HT
AL FS
CF FS
Ti HT

I just wondering what knowledgeable customers prefer

I'd go carbon then, assuming it was good quality.

Between Aluminum and 853 I'd take the 853.
 

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I have no interest in owning steel. Can't answer the hypothetical because it's IMO bogus.
i would to know why you feel my question is bogus

this is really research question and I outlined two real bikes
with actual weights
without naming models or brands
 

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Can I ask you why you would prefer CF over 853?
Just wondering as you seem knowledgeable


Presumably it would be lighter for the same strength.

Otherwise it's hard to quantify, I like steel bikes but somehow carbon just feels zippier.
 

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Presumably it would be lighter for the same strength.

Otherwise it's hard to quantify, I like steel bikes but somehow carbon just feels zippier.
That is very interesting
CF is lighter
strength and resistance to impact are different things

one day my son(who lives on a farm) were discussing gravel hitting DTs
so I bought out four unsellable frames

we did a stupid kind of test that involved
four lined up frames and a 410; a 12gauge; a 22ruger, and a 9mm glock
all four frames got direct hits from each
I know it not science LOL

After the 410 bird shot, I would build up and ride any of them
after the 12gauge , I would not ride the CF frame
after the 22; I would not ride the AL frame
after the 9mm: I would not ride the Ti frame

the 4130 frame had some small dents and a couple of holes
but I would build it and expect it would be safe to ride for about another few decades

on a serious note
i prefer the ride quality of steel, but it’s an opinion only
whereas the weight advantage of CF compared to steel is just a fact
but if my bike takes a big impact; I feel better with metal over CF

luckily - there are four great materials commonly used in bike frames
each with its own advantages - that’s why I build bikes in all four
 

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That is very interesting
CF is lighter
strength and resistance to impact are different things

My experience is that cf is plenty tough, especially if the downtube is protected.

I understand those who prefer steel but with carbon being cheaper, lighter, and more easily tunable for different ride qualities I think they're probably in the minority.
 

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My experience is that cf is plenty tough, especially if the downtube is protected.

I understand those who prefer steel but with carbon being cheaper, lighter, and more easily tunable for different ride qualities I think they're probably in the minority.
Good points
the drop in CF prices has put real pressure on the steel and Ti markets
not sure how much more CF frame prices can go down
but with Ti frames costing 3.5 TIMES CF - Ti market has really suffered as has steel

one note: we never see a steel or Ti or even AL seat tubes cracked by a bike stand
CF we still see frames damaged by improper use of a park stand
 

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not sure how much more CF frame prices can go down
CF prices can drop a lot once hand layup becomes a thing of the past and it IS coming. If GG can figure it out, so can others. They say they've reduced labor 80% with 300% better impact resistance with their "Revved" carbon process. That's not insignificant.
 

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one note: we never see a steel or Ti or even AL seat tubes cracked by a bike stand
CF we still see frames damaged by improper use of a park stand

Pretty rare in the grand scheme of things though eh? We get a lot of carbon bikes in and out of the shop and I can't recall seeing even 1 of them being damaged from a bike stand. I'm sure it can happen though.

Steel is generally tougher no doubt, you can hammer nails with it. And I do think its cool that some companies still offer a competitively priced quality steel frame as an alternative to aluminum or carbon.
 

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I'd select the 853 bike as well.

In reality though, I shop first based on warranty. Since I break EVERYTHING, a life time warranty from a reputable manufacturer is the only type of bike I'll consider.

We (wife and I) both just purchased Cervelo Asperos with GRX and SC Reserve wheels. There were several other gravel bikes that were on the initial list, nearly all were eliminated by the requirement.

In Dec 2019, I purchased a SC TB4: CC,XO, Reserve Wheels. I had 2 previous claims with SC on my wife's TB3 which sealed the deal--one claim we paid $0.00 and got a complete new frame. The second claim (top tube was pierced by a bullet while driving in the interstate) was crash replacement and very fair.
 
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