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Going from wide to narrow (er) tires

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Anyone done so? An example being going from 2.6 to 2.3 — or perhaps even more drastic. I've had other discussions around this and just got a "narrower" tire / rim bike in a Cannondale Trail SE 2 2021. I've spent a little time on wider tires, so I'm getting used to this.

For context, I'm mainly referring to trail bikes (not necessarily full on downhill or XC or extreme weather or terrain that might more clearly call for specific specs) that are good all-rounder / all-season bikes — and more specifically hardtails.

Even though I suppose 2.3 isn't necessarily too narrow, it seems you see a lot of bikes coming a little wider or people going from narrow to wider... so I'm wondering about those who have done the other way and the benefits / reason?
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why would you want to go narrower than a 2.3? At this point, that's a gravel or pavement tire.

I think hardtails, especially, do well with wider tires like 2.6" to 3.0" wide. It's partly a comfort thing, but the big deal is that with more rubber deformation, you get more traction because the bike bounces off of stuff a little less. The narrower your tire, the less rubber there is to deform around roots/rocks, the more the bike is going to bounce off of stuff on the trails, and the sketchier the ride will be.

There are some folks who rode 3.0" tires for a long time and went narrower. I was riding a fatbike for several years and then "sized down" to a bike with 29x2.6" wheels/tires. You do get more supportive tires when you get narrower. This matters when pushing the bike hard into the corners. Too much tire deformation and the handling can get vague. Riding style seems to be a major component to this. The bigger the tire, the more exaggerated this can be. Another detraction from big tires is that they can bounce like a ball pretty easily under certain conditions. High speed, repetitively chattery type stuff. That's why I sold my fatbike. Fatbikes do great when going slow over nasty terrain. They're not bad when it's fast and fairly smooth. Fast and chattery - terrifying for me as the undamped bounce from the tires became a feedback loop.

I find 2.6" tires to be a bit of a happy medium where I have some extra volume to give a bit more deformation. But tires are still pretty supportive, at least if I buy tires with the heavier duty sidewall options. A friend of mine hasn't had good things to say about the 2.6" tires with supple xc sidewalls on our trails.
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Meant that I’ve got 2.3 R (and 2.5 F) currently and don’t intend to go narrower. But it’s narrower than the 2.6-.5 you see more of lately. So curious who has decided to go to something like a 2.3 from a 2.6 by choice.
Meant that I’ve got 2.3 R (and 2.5 F) currently and don’t intend to go narrower. But it’s narrower than the 2.6-.5 you see more of lately. So curious who has decided to go to something like a 2.3 from a 2.6 by choice.
some have. usually those who ride aggressively enough that they want more sidewall support than even heavy duty 2.6 tires can provide.

that's not me. doesn't sound like it'd be you, either.

sometimes it's folks who just want to shed some tire weight for quicker acceleration.
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Way back k in the Early Years of the MTB, the same discussion was waged over tire widths, and what was optimal, what was too much...
Weight, especially 'rotating mass', was considered of vital importance then, as efficiency and longer, endurance-type rides were kind of the norm at least where I am. Tires galore stocked all the shops, and within a couple years I had hundreds of lightly used tires in my garage.
A typical arguement from a shop owner in favor of narrower tires was something like, "Are you really OK pushing around that 2.5" 700 g. tire up front?" While that made for a helluva good hypnotic subliminal that he didn't even know he was using, I really didn't think it was all that much, and blasting down the sketchy descents we made, I felt a whole lot faster than the guys who bought into the skinnier thinner lighter mantra.
Switching to some skinny mythos tires for a few months contributed to a ditch jump-gone-bad that broke my leg in more places than my surgeon could count.
So, Adam, I'd just say, ride what feels good to you.
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Meant that I’ve got 2.3 R (and 2.5 F) currently and don’t intend to go narrower. But it’s narrower than the 2.6-.5 you see more of lately. So curious who has decided to go to something like a 2.3 from a 2.6 by choice.
I built a new bike last year with 2.6 tires. I replaced them with 2.4 tires after about 2 months. The wider tires were too vague at speed and didn’t offer enough support in corners.
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Anyone done so? An example being going from 2.6 to 2.3 — or perhaps even more drastic. I've had other discussions around this and just got a "narrower" tire / rim bike in a Cannondale Trail SE 2 2021. I've spent a little time on wider tires, so I'm getting used to this.

For context, I'm mainly referring to trail bikes (not necessarily full on downhill or XC or extreme weather or terrain that might more clearly call for specific specs) that are good all-rounder / all-season bikes — and more specifically hardtails.

Even though I suppose 2.3 isn't necessarily too narrow, it seems you see a lot of bikes coming a little wider or people going from narrow to wider... so I'm wondering about those who have done the other way and the benefits / reason?
My enduro/DH I use mostly for bike parks I ride 2.5 both front and rear, both Assegai ... Trail bike/hardtail I run 2.4 and 2.3, DHR2 up front Dissector rear. The difference sounds small but it's surprisingly noticable. What I miss most is the extra cornering grip/traction I get on my turns with the wider tires. The narrower ones give me more speed though, so it's a fair tradeoff. I wouldn't go below 2.3 though. I replaced my rear 2.4 to 2.3 only because of availability. It wasn't something I'd have done if I had a choice.
I'm changing from 27.5x2.8s to 29x2.4s. Just not a big fan of the plus tires, even though this is on a rigid bike.
I tried wider tires on a friend's bike, but I didn't like it. I find 2.35 to be a sweet spot for the terrain that I ride and my riding style. I'm in some small foothills 300 feet of elevation and I ride a lot of ungroomed old school hiking trails. I can see everything from sand, wet clay, hero dirt, extreme hardpack, loose rock like marbles on top, wet deep leaves, and virtually anything. These tires offer good volume, plenty of grip in ALL conditions, weight, and roll well.

I just choose the correct tire pattern for the conditions. I have everything from super smooth racing tires to Hans Damph in 2.35.
The tread is far more important than the width. The Maxxis Rekon Race has a very different tread with shorter knobs and is faster in good conditions than their Minion DHR II tire. The profiles of these two tires are quite different and more of a factor than the difference of 0.1 inch in tire width. Tire width and surface contact also varies depending on the weight of the bike and rider and whether is is being run tubeless.

My hardtail came with the Rekon Race tire on the front and rear wheels. I replaced the front tire with a Maxxis Minion DHF to have more bite for the corners and braking.
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The tread is far more important than the width.
Agree.
I weight only 140lbs.
At first, I started my mtb journey with aggressive tread 2.4 on both wheels on my xc bike. Then I got a friend commenting that my weight is too low to push these big knobs of 2.4" tire into the ground. The tire simply float on top of these knobs. So I tried 2.25 rear with tiny knobs and 2.25 with medium knobs then also 2.4 with tiny knobs.
What I like the best is 2.4 with tiny knobs. It feels better than both 2.25 tiny knobs (obviously) and 2.25 with medium knobs. So I think rather than reduce air volume down right away. Maybe start from less aggressive tread first might be the way to go.
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Just my experience:

2.6 on hardtails with 35mm internal is great.
2.6 on FS bikes with a 30mm internal is not as great. I have to run higher pressures than with a 2.4 to keep the casing from folding over, likely because of the less rim width and riding faster on the FS bike. For my FS trail bike, I am staying on the 2.4-2.5 on i30. That said, my DH bike is built up with i35 rims and 2.6 front and 2.4 rear, but the season closed out before I got to see how it felt.
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You can get used to anything...even a 2.0. I significantly prefer the lower-pressure damping and the grip on tires around that 2.4-2.5 range on 30mm-35mm internal width rims.
I wonder if the Pro XC riders ever do comparisons on tires with their powermeter? If I was paid to race, I would be inclined to, first, own a powermeter... But do an experiment to see which tires made me faster. Such as hold a constant power output over a specified length of trail and record the time. Do the same segment with same power on different tires and see if any trends fall out.

I personally 'feel' faster with skinnier tires. I feel that I can corner faster and accelerate quicker. Even on technical trails.

Look at MotoGP racing. The Moto 3 class uses much lighter bikes and skinny tires compared to the premier GP class. Yet the Moto3 bikes carry more corner speed on the track.
Confidence in your equipment plays a huge roll in mountain biking. And no single piece of equipment is this more than true than tires.

If you don't trust a tire then you are not going to put in on edge, you are going to weight it to increase grip, basically your lack of trust is going to stop you from riding in a way that makes that tire work. If you are coming from a larger tire a skinny tire looks like it shouldn't grip as well. And that if that is enough to make you not trust it, then even if it grips as well as the larger version you are not going to ride it as well.
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again with the shitty articles that equate speed with everything.

it's not. there are far more factors involved. and even if a tire is faster, it could easily be less desirable for other reasons.
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A few months ago I went from 2.6's front and rear to 2.5 fronts and 2.4 rears. We have a lot of mixed surfaces here, so good cornering spikes up front and good braking bars out back are a necessity. I have had good success with Minion DHF's up front in 2.5 (980ish grams) and Dissector (915ish grams) or even Rekon 2.4 (840ish grams) on the rear on both the TB4 and ARC. These are not race bikes, but rather trail bikes that I like ride as fast as possible everywhere. I don't like to walk anything either so climbing efficiency is super important. The switch to the smaller tires took about 1/2 pound of rotating unsuspended weight off the TB4, which was never a good climbing bike, and on the HT ARC, which was already a good climber, made it so much better. Dropping tech isn't a problem with any of these tires either. Just say'n!
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again with the shitty articles that equate speed with everything.

it's not. there are far more factors involved. and even if a tire is faster, it could easily be less desirable for other reasons.
For sure. When I’m in my 70s-80s, I’d love a full suspension fatbike. Fatbikes are fun but they’re not fast, and that’s what I’ll need at that age.

When I built a bike last year, I was resigned to being slower than I had been, and I went with 2.6 tires. I remember saying to one of my LBS guys “I’m slow enough that I won’t care.” But the new bike (and ongoing life) resparked a passion for riding and I found myself knocking off 5-year old downhill PRs. The 2.6 Maxxis tires were just a little vague and didn’t support my changing needs. I’m now riding 2.4 tires with DH casings, and that’s where I need to be.
I switch sizes a few times a year on each bike, from 2.6 being the widest to a 2.3 being the narrowest. I prefer a 2.5/2.4 combo but it depends on what I have at the moment sometimes.

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