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Or, as Walt would put it - "Globe Trail Report".

Upon the face of the wilderness there lay a mountain.

Saturday a bunch of us tasted the fruits of Globe. We did two runs, Six Shooter first and then Squaw Springs. Several mtbr folks showed up including Paul B, AZ Dog, Bugaroo, Butocabra, Dirtbag, Dirdir, Conservationist, CJ and Mary Ellen. Two other dudes showed up at the top and joined in. The first run started late because the U-Haul folks had to take care of some family business and would not be available to rent us a trailer until 9:30 and there was a mis-communication about the starting point. Finally, we hit the trail. Within the first 50 yards, one of the two dudes that just showed up at the last minute took a digger over the bars. He was borrowing his pal's Jamis Dakar and had only gone mountainbiking twice before. Putting it mildly, Six Shooter is not the best trail for a newbie on his third ride. Eventually, the newbie got lost at the bottom and we had to send out a search party by car to find him. Luckily we did and the second run was not delayed too much. The second run took much less time. No newbies.

As for the actual riding, these two runs were some of the best riding I have ever done. Very, very fun. A bit of it all. Fast singletrack, some technical areas to spice things up, beautiful scenery and some exposure just to keep you on your toes. The best part was, as usual, the great people we rode with. Thanks to Paul for setting this thing up. Eric (Butocabra) for the shuttle, erg, Tahoe, and all the others for being there. Sorry we had to leave so soon before Paul showed up for dinner. A bit rude, but I had to get back and get some sleep in for today with the kids.

I am on top of this ride for the next time.
 

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kendogg said:
Did you ride the Spot up there? I have one and was wondering if it is enough bike for the trails in Globe.
Yes, the Spot. Definately more than enough bike. There were people running Stinkies and downhill rigs, but any good trail bike is enough. The trails are not super technical and there are no big drops, so taking a big rig over an XC rig is, IMO, more of a comfort issue than anything else. Lots of descending. However, the reality is that a good rider could do this stuff on a hardtail.

The Spot is the perfect bike for these trails. I would not consider the trails "downhill" riding, even though they are 90% downhill. It is really better described as techy XC going downhill.
 

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Dirdir said:
The Spot is the perfect bike for these trails. I would not consider the trails "downhill" riding, even though they are 90% downhill. It is really better described as techy XC going downhill.
Would you say these trails are more technical than National or less?
 

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Would you say these trails are more technical than National or less?
I agree with AZ Mikey. Less technical than National. However, for me, the Globe trails are more scary in spots. There are a lot of exposed spots on the Globe trails. Not fall to your death exposure, but fall and dislocate your shoulder exposure, or roll 50 yards down the hill exposure. More tight swithcbacks too. Although these trails are not that technical, due to the exposure and the fact that one has a tendency to build up speed and bomb down at "big velocity", they made me more nervous than National. Nonetheless, the fact that I have done National many times is likely a factor in this analysis.

Although I did two runs yesterday, I was ten times more nervous on the first one. The exposure freaks me out. Others did not care. For example, my buddy Dan (Conservationist) said that the "pinball machine" was the most technical spot for him all day. I thought it was the most fun section, and not technical at all. On the other hand, he was not afraid of the exposure and I was. So, eh, I guess it all depends.
 

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Globe = fun

The two trails we did in Globe were not very technical, just 3500+ feet of XC fun, mostly in a downward direction. The exposure Dirdir refers to is extreme. If you fall off the trail it will hurt and you will not stop rolling for some distance. But I thought there was plenty of trail width to ride as fast as you want (and I was on a bike I had only riden three times before). We forgot to mention that Paul came limping into the shuttle area after the Dawn Patrol with a Stinky Deelux without a derailer! Fear not, C.J.'s complete bike shop in a box had all the right stuff down to the derailer cable crimps to get the bike rooling again. I am definately emvious of the bike shop in a box.

Paul, thanks for setting this up. It is definately a worthwhile gathering. Eric, C.J., Mary Ellen, thanks again for bringing your vehicles as shuttles. Everyone else, except DA, it was a blast. Are you ready to do it again this Sunday. D :cool:
 

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Dirdir said:
Yes, the Spot. Definately more than enough bike. There were people running Stinkies and downhill rigs, but any good trail bike is enough. The trails are not super technical and there are no big drops, so taking a big rig over an XC rig is, IMO, more of a comfort issue than anything else. Lots of descending. However, the reality is that a good rider could do this stuff on a hardtail.

The Spot is the perfect bike for these trails. I would not consider the trails "downhill" riding, even though they are 90% downhill. It is really better described as techy XC going downhill.
Yeah, the Globe trails are the very definition of "all-mountain." I like bringing a big bike because it lets me go faster and safer on the descents, but pushing the big bike up the climbs hurts so very, very much. My hips are killing me this morning from all the hiking and pushing.

The trail changes personality a lot depending on the bike you bring and your skills.

Great seeing everyone!

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And the day started out so "well." :rolleyes:

I had intended to camp at the top Friday night, but various personal and professional events prohibited me from getting my act together in time. So I left at 5 a.m. Saturday morning to catch the Dawn Patrol crowd that usually gathers for these things.

Nobody at the campsite. Huh! That's a first. So I park, get my stuff unloaded, get armored up, and I'm on my bike by 7:45 or so. Buzz down to the Kellner trailhead. Bolt on my new shock is backing itself out every few feet. I crank the heck out of it and it seems to hold okay for a few miles. Kellner is a mess, covered in deadfall and new rocks -- the entry point is among the more difficult sections of trail up there, and it's too early for me to have any kind of rhythm yet.


A view down onto Globe as I begin my brave solo descent!

I bump into some hikers, which is great fun because the lead hiker is an executive over at Phoenix Magazine -- yay, a professional connection! We chat and exchange cards, and then I'm on my way. This is the fast-bomber section of the trail, so I'm good and ready to haul ass to get to the bottom. I hit a short hill, downshift and start cranking up, and a truly horrific crunch emits from my rear. The rear of the bike, that is. I find this waiting for me:



I should have listened when everyone told me not to put XTR on a big bike.

It is a long honking way down without pedal power. It's a lot of coasting and it takes about twice as long as I had anticipated. But it doesn't matter, since the trailer's late anyway. Plenty of time to rebuild my drivetrain out of bits and bobs from CJ's bottomless supply chest. Thanks again, man -- you're a life-saver.

I volunteer to drive the first shuttle. That shuttle takes like 2 hours from loading to start because of some miscommunications early on and logistical problems. I take the time to set up camp, cook some lunch, finish dialing in the new derailleur.

The pickup at the other end has problems. We've picked up a couple strangers, and only one of those strangers has shown up on the other end. He has no idea where is buddy is, and apparently didn't take responsibility for his safety. So now CJ and I head back up into the hills with a small, fast car (yay CRV!) for some impromptu SAR. Sheer luck, we find him. Even more driving time, even more delays.

Finally I get to ride again! Now it's the Dusk Patrol, as we're now running low on light. This run works out nicely, since everyone's of similar strength and self-reliance. Bike's working nice, thank heavens.

Turns out nobody's camping! My ass is sore from sitting in cars and trucks all day, and I just can't see the upside to camping on a windy, cold mountain by myself. Which is why I wasn't around Sunday, if anyone's curious. Oh, and it was so sweet of y'all to hang around in town for me while I tore down camp in the dark and cold. Bastards. :mad: At least there's always a friendly face at the Subway on the way out of town.

(Big ups to AZDog for helping me decamp; doing that by myself would have been the last straw.)

Hope Sunday went well--the big van and trailer is the perfect solution. I'm looking forward to hearing back.

Ugh. Sometimes these weekends work out better than others, but the one constant is that there's ALWAYS babysitting to do. Still thinking about solutions to this problem, since I'm about the only one who knows the backroads and trails well enough to get people out of trouble.

Great seeing everyone again!

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Paul B said:
I bump into some hikers, which is great fun because the lead hiker is an executive over at Phoenix Magazine -- yay, a professional connection! We chat and exchange cards
You carry business cards with you when you ride...? :confused:
 

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Again, Globe Ride continues the record of great times!

Paul B said:
And the day started out so "well." :rolleyes:

Oh, and it was so sweet of y'all to hang around in town for me while I tore down camp in the dark and cold. Bastards.
What are you bi+chin' about, we weren't 'in the loop' for food. We walked over and found the rest finishing dinner. As eveyone else left, we were at the restaurant for quite a while after all the others were gone, specifically waiting around for you.

Paul B said:
Ugh. Sometimes these weekends work out better than others, but the one constant is that there's ALWAYS babysitting to do. Still thinking about solutions to this problem, since I'm about the only one who knows the backroads and trails well enough to get people out of trouble.

Great seeing everyone again!

p.
With it being ME's first time down the mountain in Globe, we brought two cars so, if we were realllllllllllllly slow, we wouldn't hold up the parade.

We took our time rolling down. I wanted ME to enjoy the ride and not feel pressured to 'keep a pace'. She has great skills, but, just isn't the fastest, (not like I'm the fastest, either.) We were happy to roll off the trail to the rest of the group still loading the trailer. Turns out, we were only about fifteen minutes off the pace. ME rode all but one drop on Check Dam and one rocky section on Six-Shooter. She fell twice, some blood, bruises and scratches. Her only comment, "we'll at least my knees aren't scraped, suggestive comments about how I incurred them were made last time…" ;) Even with a full-face helmet, she still bruised her lips :eek:

Bike Shop in a Box: That thing is great!!! No DAG no WAG, but just about everything else. :D :D
 

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It was definitely some of the best riding in Az. It was good meeting everybody from MTBR for the first time other than my random dirdir sightings on trail 100. :) Butocabra-the grub pushed me through the second run nicely. Thanks. I did have one nice high speed crash on Squaw Springs but the soft dirt and pillow of pine needles took out some of the impact. Paul- helping decamp was the least I could do after showing me some of the best trails in AZ. Pushing the big bike was painful but having it for the DH was well worth it. I will post the pics ASAP.
 

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waltaz said:
You carry business cards with you when you ride...? :confused:
Yea Walt, me too. They do a good job with little weight penalty. I bet you could even carry yours, if you have any, while lifting weights.

Paul B said:
Ugh. Sometimes these weekends work out better than others, but the one constant is that there's ALWAYS babysitting to do. Still thinking about solutions to this problem, since I'm about the only one who knows the backroads and trails well enough to get people out of trouble.
Solution 1 - F'em.

Solution 2 - Set up a pre-Globe certification system. For example, an interested rider with unknown skills must go on a pre-Globe certification ride with a qualified Globe specialist. The specialist will ascertain the rider's ability and issue a "Globe Golden Ticket" for access to the Globe weekend only to those qualified. No one without a Globe Golden Ticket, or on the spot emergency certification from one of the inner circle, will be able to use the shuttle facilities.

Solution 3 - Pay not only someone to be a designated shuttle geek, but someone to be a designated babysitter. The babysitter will be paid and will have no expectations of having fun, unless of course, he/she likes to babysit.

Solution 4 - F'em.

Solution 5 - Establish a "Star Chamber" of super skilled Globe gurus that systematically "incapacitate" all those that have ever needed babysitting. Babysitted riders will start to disappear and word will get out that Globe is nothing to mess with. The Star Chamber will also be responsible for "incapacitating" riders that have the riding skills to qualify, but are just too damn annoying to hang out with. Eventually, there will be a Star Chamber of just two and they can arm wrestle for riding privileges.
 

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C.J. said:
What are you bi+chin' about, we weren't 'in the loop' for food. We walked over and found the rest finishing dinner. As eveyone else left, we were at the restaurant for quite a while after all the others were gone, specifically waiting around for you.
Yeah, I'm really sorry about that. When I saw your Super 8 was right down the street from Chalo's, I was gonna call as soon as I found the rest of the group. I got there about 8:20, walked through the restaurant, and was so wiped from the rest of the day's festivities I just left town when I couldn't find them.

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Sorry bout the food mixup. We took our time loading and returning the trailer, and hit challos quite late. I think it was about 2 hours from when you left for the campsite, and when we left Challos. Thanks for driving first shuttle, and organizing as always.

btw, props to dirtbag, who was definetly the fastest rider there on Saturday.

ride report from the Sunday crew?
 
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