[gerry]

Hello,

i'm thinking of buying a Fisher Rig. I was wondering if any one out there had an opinion or a suggestion of another SS bike I shoulde be considering instead. I was also wondering if the EBB was as bad as some people make it out to be.


Thanks,
Gerry

 

[JerryQ]

Rig eccentric

The eccentric on the Rig takes some "fine tuning." If not adjust correctly it will slid to the non-drive side. The shim that tightens it will also force it to move because it does not slid all the way into the housing. The problem of slipage can be fixed by either moving the EBB slightly off center or by shaving down the shim slightly so it slides all the way in.

If you do either of these, the eccentric stays and all is well.

In my opinion, the set screw type of ebb is much better.

The RIG itself is a wonderful ride. Too bad about the design of the EBB.

Jerry

 

[timbone]

I only have about 2 hours on mine and the BB has moved about 1/8" to the drive side. The bike feels great but I did get some back wheel rub under heavy pull/mash loads. (my rig is all stock) We got 2" of sleet frozen to the ground the day after I picked up the rig so I have only ridden on that.(very fast but not as slick as you might think)

Question:

I have good wheel clearance normally. Are the 29" wheels flexing more? Can I get a set that will work better? Any suggestions out there?

 

[JerryQ]

adjusting the EBB on the Rig

The first few rides will be an adjustment period with the EBB. Most of them move (on the RIG) at first. We must have 10-15 folks on them here (Tucson, AZ) and all have had some sort of movement problems at first. One guy stripped the treads on the adjustment bolt and was basically screwed until a new EBB came in. Be careful with the tension on the bolt!
Also the nut the tightening bolt goes aginst to slid the shim OUT tends to loosen. Use lock-tite on it!
After experimenting with EBB positioning in the BB you will find where it will stay put and the amount of tension necessary on the bolt. Eventually it all works well, but it is pain in the ass.
For me, just shaving a small amount off the shim has worked wonderfully. I change cogs several times a week (I ride it every day for 2-6 hours in my job as a mountainbike guide) so the EBB gets used a lot.
It is a good idea to have your LBS order in a spare EBB for the Rig. They are not too expensive ($40 - $50 retail - we've heard you can get them for as little as $20) and it will certainly save you time if you mess up the metal parts inside by using too much torque when adjusting.
As for the 29er wheels. It's only money! I don't think any of the riders here has had a problem with tire size or the stock wheels. Have heard that the Bontrager wheels do not hold up as well as WTB.
Oh well, you can't get everything for under a $1,000 on a new ride. Still a very good bike at a very good price.
Jerry in Tucson

 

[93cobra]

Is there no way of taking the EBB out of the Rig and replacing it with another one? That is one without a wedge system or does the aftermarket not supply this yet?

 

[JerryQ]

Good question, I do not know the answer. Best guess is that the Rig is an aluminum frame and it would be difficult to put in set screws now.

 

[93cobra]

That is a good point. I really wish I could figure out how to get a Phil Wood EBB into one of these RIGs. I am open to any suggestions.

 

[couby]

I was considering putting a Phil Wood EBB on my rig, are they compatible?

 

[93cobra]

I was considering putting a Phil Wood EBB on my rig, are they compatible?

That is my question. I believe some modification would have to be made to the Rig.

 

[couby]

i just found this on the reviews page, doesn't say that the guy has modified his bike in anyway

http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/singlespeed/product_124932.shtml

7th reviewer down:

Bike Setup: Pretty much stock. Slowly upgrading as I go.
Egg Beater SL pedals
Phil Woods BB
White Industries cranks
Easton Carbon seatpost
Bontrager Carbon handlebars
WTB Devo Saddle
(Headset is next on my list)

might email Phil Wood and see what they say

 

[cakey]

My Rig EBB has been fine, maybe slipped a bit once but easy to tighten. I think the trick is to remove the EBB when new and grease the hell out of it. This ensures a good interface between the two halves of the EBB and the b.b. shell.

 

[couby]

I just found a thread further down this page saying it can't be fitted to the rig:
http://http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=261785

mmm....?:???:

 

[93cobra]

i just found this on the reviews page, doesn't say that the guy has modified his bike in anyway

http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/singlespeed/product_124932.shtml

7th reviewer down:

Bike Setup: Pretty much stock. Slowly upgrading as I go.
Egg Beater SL pedals
Phil Woods BB
White Industries cranks
Easton Carbon seatpost
Bontrager Carbon handlebars
WTB Devo Saddle
(Headset is next on my list)

might email Phil Wood and see what they say

Thanks for the info. I called Phil Wood and they said it won't work because of the Aluminum frame but apparently the guy in the review has found a way to make it work. I have emailed him to see if he can help us.

 

[gerry]

So would a bike with sliders be a better choice

 

[Caffeine Powered]

For what the Rig is i think it is a good bike. That said, I had some issues with my Rig's EBB in the beginning. almost a year later it's well behaved and sitting at a touch over 23lbs.


If you buy a Rig or any frame with an EBB your first purchase should be a torque wrench. If I tighten the EBB wedge bolt to the 12Nm Fisher suggests it doesn't move, creak or act up.

 

[gonzo]

Sliders

Just put all my Rig components on a new frame with sliders. Its a lot cleaner solution with less moving parts. Have ridden about 10 times with no issues.
The bottom bracket is a high torque area that seems to be a hit or miss with folks using EBB - either they get loose or squeak.

I found the fisher EBB pretty easy to adjust and mine did not squeak. Had another bike with I think bushnell BB and that thing was a squeaker...

 

[aka brad]

You may be a candidate for a recall..

I only have about 2 hours on mine and the BB has moved about 1/8" to the drive side. The bike feels great but I did get some back wheel rub under heavy pull/mash loads. (my rig is all stock) We got 2" of sleet frozen to the ground the day after I picked up the rig so I have only ridden on that.(very fast but not as slick as you might think)

Question:

I have good wheel clearance normally. Are the 29" wheels flexing more? Can I get a set that will work better? Any suggestions out there?

Some of the first Rigs that came off the line had an issue with the chain stays that caused the rubbing you described. My buddy had the same issue and his LBS first gave him a different rear tire to mitigate the problem until they got him a new frame.

1G1G, Brad

 

[timbone]

I hope not to need a recall. My LBS had to work through another shop, out of town, to get me this one.(and it is an '07). I have already been a pain.
I put a 21 T cog on which will probably help.
T.

 

[timbone]

I have rear slides on my Monocog and they are simple and very adjustable for cog size but extra work and tools when you need to remove the back wheel.

The EBB and and vert. drops are fast and easy.

 

[whattheheck]

RIG BB & chain stretch

Hi,
I have about 7 rides on my RIG. I love it. I am totally stoked on the 29r.Now I want to get a fully geared one.
During my first ride, while standing and peddaling, the BB had knocking sound.
I brought it back to the shop and they pulled out the BB and greased the heck out of it.
No problems since.
**But now the chain has stretched. I need to rotate the ecc-bb to take up slack.
how do I do it? I see the bolt, I loosened it, but how do I rotate the entire BB?
thanks.