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This is not something I normally do, but I think it is important for companies to be truthful with their consumers... From a very reliable source I know for a fact that a certain online based company and store with has purchased a number of Ellsworth Id frames, maybe even Truth frames from a large retailer, no big deal right. Wrong, I know that these frames retail for $2000-$2400, I also know that the wholesale on the frames is about $1200... Fair enough, you need an account with the company, etc, and that cost money, and places need to turn a profit, but when the internet company purchases all these frames for as little as say half the wholesale price and turns around and to sell them for about $2000 they are making a killing on buying company's old stock. Some may think this to be alright, but I find this deal to be very unethical if the company is not going to pass the savings onto the consumer... I will not name the companies, but BEWARE if you are purchasing one of these frames... You might even see them on Ebay...

Hey this is why I live in the United States and this is why I believe in Free Speech...
 

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Kind of an odd post from you really. If it is annoying you so much you would name the company for the good of mankind. Not running around the outside of the topic. I guess when one purchases an Ellsworth, it is a product at the high end of the market. A premium is paid for a reason. This company would be more foolish to sell these at half price. That would be the end of there business in terms of getting suppliers to supply them frames in the future.
 

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Unbelievable.

Gpuck said:
but I find this deal to be very unethical if the company is not going to pass the savings onto the consumer...
Hard to belive a for-profit company would try to maximize their profits. If they can sell them for 2000 then the frame is worth that to some people; It really doesn't matter what they bought them for.

As long as these are legitimate frames w/ the normal Ellsworth warrantee I really can't see the problem.

If you're such an advocate of living in the US, then you've also probably heard of this "capitalism" thing. 2000$ bike frames are a luxury item; I say charge what the market will bear.

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Capitalism at it's finist. If people didn't pay that much for them, then the market wouldn't be there. And hence, the company would go out of business.

Sounds like you need to move to Canada or even worse...France. Because you're one of those people that want to 'blame' America for being such a great country. Go ride your Huffy and believe everything the media tells you. Because it doesn't sound like you think for yourself.
 

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My 2 cents...

Couple years back Supergo started carrying Titus frames. After the first time Supergo dropped the price of the LocoMoto well below MSRP, Titus stopped selling the frames to Supergo. I heard also that Intense had the same issue but Supergo just bundled the Tracer with a build that was an unreal deal. Recently I was surprized to see the Turner Burner getting blown out well below MSRP. The MSRP of highend frames has a pretty high markup, but frame markers and shops aren't raking in tons of cash. Most are working long hard hours because they love the business. Knowing this I think it is important for frame makers like Ellsworth to keep the perceived frame value near the MSRP by not allowing shops to advertise deep discounts on frames alone. Combining a discount with a complete build is what is generally done which allows a shop to pass on a volume discount. This might seem screwed up, but I see it as a way to support the small frame maker/shop, most of which I've spoken with over the years have been the types that have a real love of the industry and aren't in it for the cash.
 

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Capitalism at it's finist. If people didn't pay that much for them, then the market wouldn't be there. And hence, the company would go out of business.

Sounds like you need to move to Canada or even worse...France. Because you're one of those people that want to 'blame' America for being such a great country. Go ride your Huffy and believe everything the media tells you. Because it doesn't sound like you think for yourself.
You make it sound like living in Canada is a bad thing. Yes, you should move to Canada. It's an amazing place to live. People treat each other nicely here too.
 

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Gpuck said:
This is not something I normally do, but I think it is important for companies to be truthful with their consumers... From a very reliable source I know for a fact that a certain online based company and store with has purchased a number of Ellsworth Id frames, maybe even Truth frames from a large retailer, no big deal right. Wrong, I know that these frames retail for $2000-$2400, I also know that the wholesale on the frames is about $1200... Fair enough, you need an account with the company, etc, and that cost money, and places need to turn a profit, but when the internet company purchases all these frames for as little as say half the wholesale price and turns around and to sell them for about $2000 they are making a killing on buying company's old stock. Some may think this to be alright, but I find this deal to be very unethical if the company is not going to pass the savings onto the consumer... I will not name the companies, but BEWARE if you are purchasing one of these frames... You might even see them on Ebay...

Hey this is why I live in the United States and this is why I believe in Free Speech...
So I see that you're cross-posting this [email protected]

Go somewhere else, troll.
 

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Would you like some cheese with that "whine"?

Business is business is business. Some companies require that you advertise their product at full retail no matter how much you pay for them. Mavic does it, Shimano just started doing it and the great thing about this country is that you can make money in any way you want as long as it doesnt break any laws.
 

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You make it sound like living in Canada is a bad thing. Yes, you should move to Canada. It's an amazing place to live. People treat each other nicely here too.
I guess it's not a bad place if you like socialism or if you don't mind the government controlling your TV stations.
 

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I guess it's not a bad place if you like socialism or if you don't mind the government controlling your TV stations.
Unfortunately, for us in the US to say anything about control of TV stations is like the pot calling the kettle black.
 

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I guess it's not a bad place if you like socialism or if you don't mind the government controlling your TV stations.
please, explain to me how canada is a socialist country? cause apparently ive been living under a rock since the mid eighties. and controling tv stations?? get you facts straight before you shoot your mouth of buddy.

its because of people like you that americans have such a bad international reputation.
 

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u r full of $hit dude...

You probably think snow never melts down in Canada.

people like you give America a really, really bad image...

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I guess it's not a bad place if you like socialism or if you don't mind the government controlling your TV stations.
 

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This thread really ought to be closed, along with the Original one in general. I don't really see the relevance to Warning Ellsworth Buyers. Everything has mark up on it.
 

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Have you ever heard of the FCC?

http://www.fcc.gov/aboutus.html

"The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United States government agency, directly responsible to Congress. The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. possessions."
 
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