[PHeller]

Anybody weight their bare GG frames recently?

I've heard some chatter not just on the Facebook Group, but a few other places as well as that some of the frame weights aren't lining up with the claimed weight of 6.5lbs on the website.

It's not a huge deal, and I don't advocate anyone returning their frame because it might be heavier than 6.5lbs, but if we're starting to see frames come in way above the claimed weight, it might be worthwhile of the factory to take notice (if its happening unintentionally.)

 

[Shark]

I thought only road bikers worried about weights....


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[PHeller]

It's not so much the weight. It's the claim.

If GG told you the bike would be black, and it shows up yellow, or orange, or your least favorite color, that'd be annoying right? Like, they told you up front that it'd be black, and you like black, so your cool with that, and then it shows up red or something. You'd be like "WTF?" I know I would.

What if the BB was press-fit?

Or the axle was...not a thru axle or something?

I have no issue riding a heavy bike. I have issues when a company makes a claim and doesn't stick to it. Whether it be warranty. Or service. Or color. Or whatever. It's a bait and switch, and it's a bad look for one of the raddest bike manufacturers around.

 

[FJSnoozer]

It's not so much the weight. It's the claim.

If GG told you the bike would be black, and it shows up yellow, or orange, or your least favorite color, that'd be annoying right? Like, they told you up front that it'd be black, and you like black, so your cool with that, and then it shows up red or something. You'd be like "WTF?" I know I would.

What if the BB was press-fit?

Or the axle was...not a thru axle or something?

I have no issue riding a heavy bike. I have issues when a company makes a claim and doesn't stick to it. Whether it be warranty. Or service. Or color. Or whatever. It's a bait and switch, and it's a bad look for one of the raddest bike manufacturers around.

How far off are we talking? Are they stating frame weight or frame with shock?


Schwalbe tires are Regularly +/- 10%+ of claimed weight. They are still in business.

Yes I weigh all of our tires as they arrive. Ive has the same tire in same shipment range from 725-856.

With that being said, I doubt anyone buys a GG for weight or a weight weenie build.


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[Sanchofula]

So what would you do if the frame weighed more than expected?

 

[Shark]

As long as it's not 5lbs too heavy or cracking, I'm not too worried

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[Shark]

So what would you do if the frame weighed more than expected?

Get the grinder....

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[Shark]

One thing to note, most frame manufacturers specify the weight for a size small.

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[Jayem]

Having boxed my bike up and shipped it several times now, I'm comfortable that it's very close to the claimed weight. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be able to fly with it, because I always go to 50.0lbs.

 

[mlx john]

'21 S4 Spez S-Works Stumpjumper (non evo)

Weight with shock, seatclamp, thru-axle, and swat cover + water bottle cage 2580 grams, or 5.69 pounds.

I think the actual claimed weight for a s3 is 2420 grams. I've seen some reviewers mistakenly say it's 2240.

Close enough for me. Have crashed it a couple of times on rocks, one good rock strike on the downtube. Some scuffs/scratches. Frame is durable.

I had a '17 Fuel EX that would crack if you looked at it the wrong way.

Pretty happy with this frame (knock on carbon)

 

[vikb]

Before I get excited about any frame weight discussions I'd want to have some confidence the scale being used was accurate enough to make the measurement in question and ideally that person has verified the measurement with a second scale so we know it's likely to be accurate.

I was weighing a skateboard on a small scale and got a result that seemed out of spec for the product. A little investigating and I realized my scale was rated for less than the item weighed and so it delivered a faulty number. I could have jumped on the internet and ranted about that weight starting a whole $hitstorm when it was a measurement error.

I've been using our bathroom scale to measure my cat's weight to monitor her health. I got suspicious of the results and did some testing. Turns out the scale is unreliable...particularly for a weight of ~6lbs. So I stopped using it. I'll have to buy a new one.

In my last work gig I had to calibrate and certify scales used to measure weights of raw materials in a production setting. So I get suspicious of any measurement that seems out of line with expectation unless the scale has been calibrated and/or there is some backup in the form of multiple scales reporting the same value.

For anyone that's really concerned I'd also suggest calling GG and confirming that the website frame weight spec is current.

 

[PHeller]

So what would you do if the frame weighed more than expected?

I think I'd merely ask that GG clarify or correct the claimed weight on the website.

 

[rlee]

Get on the scale. Then get on it with your cat or frame, then do the math.

 

[vikb]

Get on the scale. Then get on it with your cat or frame, then do the math.

That's what I do. But, the precision is poor which matters a lot more when the end number is ~6lbs.

 

[jeremy3220]

Schwalbe tires are Regularly +/- 10%+ of claimed weight. They are still in business.

Tires are a bit different as rubber is difficult to work with when it comes to precision. The rubber is either extruded or calendered (mill system) and subject to all sorts of variables like Mooney viscosity, porosity, temperature fluctuations. When a carcass ply is less than 1mm thick small fluctuations in gauge make large differences in weight percentage wise.

 

[Sanchofula]

'21 S4 Spez S-Works Stumpjumper (non evo)

Weight with shock, seatclamp, thru-axle, and swat cover + water bottle cage 2580 grams, or 5.69 pounds.

I think the actual claimed weight for a s3 is 2420 grams. I've seen some reviewers mistakenly say it's 2240.

Close enough for me. Have crashed it a couple of times on rocks, one good rock strike on the downtube. Some scuffs/scratches. Frame is durable.

I had a '17 Fuel EX that would crack if you looked at it the wrong way.

Pretty happy with this frame (knock on carbon)

You're in the wrong forum ... you'll find Special Ed under the Specialized forum

 

[FJSnoozer]

Tires are a bit different as rubber is difficult to work with when it comes to precision. The rubber is either extruded or calendered (mill system) and subject to all sorts of variables like Mooney viscosity, porosity, temperature fluctuations. When a carcass ply is less than 1mm thick small fluctuations in gauge make large differences in weight percentage wise.

You think rubber is more difficult to work with than epoxy and CF? LOL

Some how maxxis has been able to produce a 740 gram 2.35 IKON for the past 5-10 years.

Also, the amount of weight added with paint is insane. Paint weighs as much as my rear shock. There is a fair amount of variance in paint jobs in many brands within their own color options.


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[jeremy3220]

You think rubber is more difficult to work with than epoxy and CF? LOL

Yeah definitely.

 

[FJSnoozer]

Yeah definitely.

Seeing as every tire is machine made, tolerances should be lower. I guess Maxxis has far better manufacturing process.

You would think a hand laid carbon frame would have more variance. The only difference is the material is lighter therefore the excess material from frame to frame has less impact from grams. More impact when it comes to random failures.


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[stripes]

So what would you do if the frame weighed more than expected?

Drill speed holes.