Fox 36

Very nice. Now what bike will those polished turds adorn? I actually got to ride an Ellsworth Moment with a DHX on it a couple of weeks ago, and as much as I wanted to not like the DHX, I couldn't help but see the light. It felt much better than my 5ths.

Light build VP-Free

I'm building up a light VP-Free. The DHX is a shorter eye-to-eye than normal to lower the bottom bracket and keep the geometry correct with the 36. I'll be getting the ti spring for it, too.

The Moment DHX combo is awesome. I rode one at the Interbike Dirt Demo and it ruled on the downhill. The harder I rode it, the better it worked. I really wanted to get a Moment but since I can build up the VP-Free so light (under 35 pounds) and have more travel, I went with it instead. And come summer, I might get a regular-stroke shock and a 888 for Whistler and Northstar.

El Chingon said:

Now what bike will those polished turds adorn? I actually got to ride an Ellsworth Moment with a DHX on it a couple of weeks ago, and as much as I wanted to not like the DHX, I couldn't help but see the light. It felt much better than my 5ths.

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More like fudgescicle brown......why in the world did they choose brown?

In regard to the DHX..........told ya so!

Didn't hear a clunk did you?

alrighty...we have a lab rat...I mean tester...let us know John how they are....nice pics

What does that little orange sticker on the arch of the 36 say? Not tryin' to hate... just curious.

Photo-John said:

I'm building up a light VP-Free. The DHX is a shorter eye-to-eye than normal to lower the bottom bracket and keep the geometry correct with the 36. I'll be getting the ti spring for it, too.

The Moment DHX combo is awesome. I rode one at the Interbike Dirt Demo and it ruled on the downhill. The harder I rode it, the better it worked. I really wanted to get a Moment but since I can build up the VP-Free so light (under 35 pounds) and have more travel, I went with it instead. And come summer, I might get a regular-stroke shock and a 888 for Whistler and Northstar.

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I'm curious as to the rest of the build. I know you said it was going to be more or less a what Weir was using at one point, but I haven't seen a build list from his bike.

What e-to-e did you go with? I have a Free that was built up for heavy FR and am going to give a lighter fork and tires a shot.

3 rings? Any guide?

Unfortunately the way mine is built right now I don't think I can achieve sub 35 without a good deal of money. I was going to aim for about 36-37lbs.

Sticker

pdirt said:

What does that little orange sticker on the arch of the 36 say? Not tryin' to hate... just curious.

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"Not intended for hucking 10 feet to flat."

Actually, I don't know what it says. I'm at the office right now and haven't even looked at the sticker.

Photo-John said:

"Not intended for hucking 10 feet to flat."

Actually, I don't know what it says. I'm at the office right now and haven't even looked at the sticker.

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Oh, cool, as long as 8 to flat is supported

Photo-John said:

I'm building up a light VP-Free. The DHX is a shorter eye-to-eye than normal to lower the bottom bracket and keep the geometry correct with the 36. I'll be getting the ti spring for it, too.

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More info please.

How much does the BB drop, what will be the new travel, and what i-to-i shock are you using?

More Info

The new eye-to-eye is 8.5 inches, from center to center. I'm not sure what the stock eye-to-eye is. But this shock is supposed to be shorter. I'll have to double-check. The rear travel should be about 7 inches, which will be a good match for the 6 of the Fox 36. Not sure about the new bb height. I know it will be lower, which is fine for Santa Cruz and other riding that I do most of the time. I'll be taking this bike to Moab in the beginning of May, if I can get it done. Hopefully the lower bb won't be a liability there. I'm looking forward to having a good climbing, good dh riding bike for Porcupine. The Dare is great. But it's kind of a drag climbing Porcupine or Amasa Back on it.

pdirt said:

Oh, cool, as long as 8 to flat is supported

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Anything over 26" to flat should be illegal. And yes by """ I mean inches.

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Look what I done got

Yummy!

Now someone buy my Dare so I can pay for this stuff!

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You are putting a 8.5 x 2.5 (215x63mm) shock on it right?

How will this lower the bottom bracket at all since you will still need the bike to sag to the linkage's sweetspot in order for the VPP chain tension effect to work? I calculated a 15mm sag measured at the shock (instead of 22mm normally), which leaves your VPP at the required point in the travel, but your bottom bracket at sag will not be any lower.

I just don't see how you can alter the bottom bracket height by changing the shock without interfering with the VPP linkage action.

You Got Me

Rob-
You're thinking about this a lot harder than I am. I'm copying what Forrest and Weir have done. They say it works great and who am I to argue? We'll see how it works when it's done.

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Rob-
You're thinking about this a lot harder than I am. I'm copying what Forrest and Weir have done. They say it works great and who am I to argue? We'll see how it works when it's done.

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Oh, ok... I haven't seen their setups yet but am interested. Do you have a list of what they are using?

I definitely think that this is a good way to go and am interested to see what it turns out like.

Setup

I can give you a general setup. Suspension is the same as mine, but with the ti spring, which I plan to get, too. WTB Dual Duty wheels, hayes brakes, Truvativ Holzefeller cranks with single ring and MRP guide, SRAM drivetrain, blah, blah, blah.

JSUN said:

Anything over 26" to flat should be illegal. And yes by """ I mean inches.

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'dorps' to 'fart' are core.

that big ugly orange sticker really does ruin the look of the fork