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Another thread about sanitizing our favorite trails. This is on the Shoreline right east of City Creek. Finally got my photos of this posted. I can't believe they messed up the only technical part of the trail. The only good part is that the rain seems to be removing the "hard placed" dirt. So it might convert back to the cobbles.



I did some searching and found this https://www.sltrib.com/outdoors/ci_12536840

Volunteers huffed and puffed their way up the trail, removing rocks, adding fill dirt where needed and widening the trail to four feet.

Salt Lake City watershed ranger John Wells said the goal was making the trail more family-friendly. Mountain bikers who enjoyed testing their technical skills on the rocks that littered the trail might not approve, but it's necessary work in an area so close to the city, Wells said.




rocks now resting on the side of the trail
 

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Ya I gotta agree with you there.

Seems like the trail in that area was just fine to me. I have always seen families walking up it without a problem. I wonder why they choose to work on sections of the trail that are fine, but leave the parts that are overgrown and hard to pass because tree branches are sticking out alone. Guess its hard to make everyone happy, but I wish they would just leave things alone and put ther trail building efforts into new trail.
 

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Boy, 'family values' is sure shaping up really nicely. I guess you can now lump rangers in with the pedophiles, Republicans, Born Again Christians and the like.

Reminds me of what they did on Pipeline up Millcreek a number of years back. Smooth as silk as wide as the average American's fat a$$.

Some of you might recall a half a$$ed effort to do something similar up Mill D. The bottom section was buffed out and widened and that short, rocky climb section (heading towards the trail head) was jackhamered flat. A few years later that rocky section is nice and rough again and there's plenty of off camber, sharp granite poking out to wash your front wheel out if you're sleeping on the descent.
 

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I have to rant (sorry):

All it will do is cause us mountain bikers to ride faster now with the buffed out 4 ft wide trail. Do you think that Mountain bikers going 2 to 3 times as fast will make it "family friendly"? All this is going to cause is us getting kicked off the BST eventually so that the strollers can be pushed up and down the BST!
 

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supersize said:
Another thread about sanitizing our favorite trails. This is on the Shoreline right east of City Creek. Finally got my photos of this posted. I can't believe they messed up the only technical part of the trail.......
pedalfaraway said:
Seems like the trail in that area was just fine to me.......Guess its hard to make everyone happy, but I wish they would just leave things alone and put ther trail building efforts into new trail.....
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I can't help but find the two of you complaining about the sanitization of a trail a bit funny after both of you voted against the addition of advanced features on Bobsled. :confused:

At least you are consistent in your b!tiching about change.......[/sweetblog]

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Bortis Yelltzen said:
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I can't help but find the two of you complaining about the sanitization of a trail a bit funny after both of you voted against the addition of advanced features on Bobsled. :confused:

At least you are consistent in your b!tiching about change.......[/sweetblog]

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Snap! Oh no you didn't!
 

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Bortis Yelltzen said:
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I can't help but find the two of you complaining about the sanitization of a trail a bit funny after both of you voted against the addition of advanced features on Bobsled. :confused:

At least you are consistent in your b!tiching about change.......[/sweetblog]

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:) Very nice.

I voted against features in the main line. The big ones were the double bumps/jumps right in the main line and the crappy wooden features that drop to flat or are the same size as the natural drops. I like a lot of the stuff in there and am about ready to hit the car gap. I've been playing around at I-Street.

I am b!tiching about existing lines. :D
 

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Funny thing is the dumbasses built waterbars! Um... 1930 called and they want their trail technology back. Those are going to cause plenty of damage on their own, so they simply traded ankle busting rocks for ankle busting ruts.:thumbsup:
 

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The conversation I had on the day of sanitization......

I was the first biker down on the morning they were working on that. They had just finished and let me through. (One guy at the top said he radio down to the others headed up and let them know a biker was coming.) I was going uber slow, creeping really, and came up on a ranger and he said "well, you'll be able to fly down now!" I stated that I actually liked it better the way it was, and he replied "yeah, but we had to clean it up. It is after all a hiking trail", to which I replied "multi-use". He then donned his deer-in-headlights face and on I rode. This was a parks guy too. "Hiking trail".....nice.......at least they left the one tight lefthand switchback half way down alone.......
 

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what so bad about leaving things alone?

Both this section of the trail and the Bobsled were great and have been great for years with very none or very little repair, sanitation, or evolution. The Real funny thing is that a freeway has been built, jumps have appeared disappeared, reappeared, and redisappeared, and nobody have bothered to fix the water damage in the upper half, which is really the only part of the trail that needs anything. Also the shoreline trail headed west from city creek could use some tree trimming.
 

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I have to rant (sorry):

All it will do is cause us mountain bikers to ride faster now with the buffed out 4 ft wide trail. Do you think that Mountain bikers going 2 to 3 times as fast will make it "family friendly"? All this is going to cause is us getting kicked off the BST eventually so that the strollers can be pushed up and down the BST!
mooddude pretty summed it all up.

Given the fact that I ride with 31inch bars gives strollers a hair over a foot to get the hell out of my way. My rationale is that if you're up there on any type of wheels then you're sitting in the same boat as us mtb'ers, strollers, recumbant, mountain-uni, those ghey-ass mountain boards, wheelchair, one of those mechanic roller thingy's you slide under your car to work on it, etc....

Can't wait until all the hoardes of breeders here decide the Crest is too technical and want to take grandma and the seven new borns on a stroll and push to get it paved.

Back in the mid-90's a good friend of mine and I were hiking Kings Peak in the Uintas and he mentioned in passing that the backcountry would be seriously dumbed down before we got too old and relied on Jazzy's to motor our fat asses around. He joked that in 20 years there would be a road cut and paved to the top to get all the lazy, fat f#cks to the top as ADA lawsuits were running rampant then and obese women were suing because hiking the Grand Canyon was too hard and the oft used guide horses would tire out and keel over dead should someone of her girth attempt to ride one. Another good friend of mine's boyfriend is a river guide based out of Fairbanks, AK. His outfit was sued two years ago when an obese woman lied on her application about her conditioning, etc.... When she showed up at the pre-trip meeting they refused to take her out on the 7 day trip as the rivers were running low which meant dragging those big, heavy rafts long distances over shallow sections and seeing as how she was out of breath carrying her suitcase from the van into the building they felt her safety and the safety of others in the group would be in jeopardy. She turned around and sued them citing a number of reasons one of which as that she should not be expected to do manual labor on a river trip-into the AK backcountry.
I would have never thought that BS like this would be happening years before I turned 40. Let's turn America into a nation of pu$$y's.
 

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I was going uber slow, creeping really, and came up on a ranger and he said "well, you'll be able to fly down now!" I stated that I actually liked it better the way it was, and he replied "yeah, but we had to clean it up. It is after all a hiking trail", to which I replied "multi-use". He then donned his deer-in-headlights face and on I rode. This was a parks guy too. "Hiking trail".....nice.......at least they left the one tight lefthand switchback half way down alone.......
This is what scares me. There are already hiking only trails in City Creek. Not sure why they had to mess with this one. Is it that hard to walk over cobbles. What next? head up to the Gate Buttress and add in some via ferratas to make it easier for hikers.

I don't think he understands the "well, you'll be able to fly down now!". Like mooddude said the faster speeds will only cause more problems.

Oh, they did add fill dirt to the switchback but the rain is washing it out and it is getting to the old state.
 

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Decided to skip Park City last night and did a jaunt up Dry to City and check out all the hype. I have to say that I was expecting a bit more carnage than what was described in this forum but honestly didn't think it was too bad. However, I got a laugh at the new fence they put up between the I-Street jump park and this trail. Not quite certain what that's supposed to do other than add a medium for graffiti.

With those few nasty thunderstorms we've gotten recently the trail is starting to show a bit of rock already compared to the photos posted above.

Besides the cowboy fence to keep the beaters away from the lycra yuppie crowd, the only drawback I can see to the whole thing are those makeshift waterbars down towards the bottom of the City Creek single track between the edge of the jump park and the road. They placed them right in the apex of each turn and a couple down low, in blind corners, are going to take some novice riders out as they're high, at the worst possible angle and riding over them is like hitting a loose rock the size of a football. If you're not on it and paying attention they can catch your front wheel and send you.
 

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Just rode it last night and have to agreee with SLCRMrider's post. I did like the rocks but more will appear sooner than you think. You can seriously haul through there on a bike now so it may not have been the right approach.

The waterbars below towards the exit into City creek are HORRIBLE. Def some of the worst placed bars I have ever seen, do they know that bikes ride this trail? Novice bikers are going to be eaten alive on those things but at least the strollers won't get their wheels wet.

I realized again why I usually ride in PC during the summer. Shoreline was hot, kind of crowded and trashed from people riding it during the rainy spell we had. Nights, fall and Spring are the shoreline's best seasons/times.
 

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Don't worry, the rocks are coming back!

I took these two photos a couple of weeks ago at the switchback. I'm sure that by now even more rocks have eroded out. It looks like the work that was done will probably do more to promote trail erosion than to prevent it in the future.
 

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Chris C. said:
I took these two photos a couple of weeks ago at the switchback. I'm sure that by now even more rocks have eroded out. It looks like the work that was done will probably do more to promote trail erosion than to prevent it in the future.
So if it is going to go back to the way it was, why does anybody care? If it is going to be more eroded, rocky and bumpy, then that should be a good thing right?

People who ride the BST to get their tech on are beyond stupid.
 

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Because its a bad precident

and it just makes the drainage issues worse because it makes the trail sit deaper. The dig out all the rocks, and then the rain washes all soil away exposing new rocks, and repeat. Soon the trail is 3 feet lower then the surrounding area and will be that last thing to dry because water will pool there. This can then be solved with more waterbars. :rolleyes: The rocks are actully erosian resistant

The worst part is that they are wasting all of the voulenteer labor on sections of the trail that are better left alone, and leaving alone sections that could use work, and not building any new sections. Just seems like alot of work for nothing.
 

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The worst part is that they are wasting all of the voulenteer labor on sections of the trail that are better left alone, and leaving alone sections that could use work, and not building any new sections. Just seems like alot of work for nothing.
BINGO!

That's what makes me crazy, when I see all this time and effort that was WASTED working on a trail that is just fine, when we could be concentrating on NEW singletrack. By adding more trails, existing user issues/conflicts are mitigated, trail damage is minimized and we spread out the concentration of traffic from a few over-used trails to a wider network....at least that's my thinking.
 
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