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I am trying to purchase a new fork, but need opinions regarding the externally adjustable forks like the psylo.

I called manitou and asked their tech guy if they made extra firm springs. he said yes but you have to get it from our vendors, so I order the fork. When I tried to order the springs, they aren't being made. Call Manitou back and they say they don't have x-firm spring kits. So now I have to eat the shipping charges to send the fork back and learned never to order manitou because they can't take the time to take their heads out of their a$$e$ to see if they have x-firm spring kits for customers.

I feel much better now, so here are my questions... Should I even try a Rock Shox Psylo? I am 250-60 and am going to put this fork on my Jamis Komodo. Are their any other externally adjustable forks to consider. If I stick with a regular fork I want atleast 100mm travel coil shock with rebound adjustment. Looking at mx comp coil. Any clydes use the air preload? Any problems? Any opinions on which fork to buy?

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Manitou makes the X-Firm spring for their variable travel forks but I think it is listed as Firm not X-Firm. It depends on what fork you have. There is always a delay from release to meeting consumer needs with Manitou. It took me 2 years to get a spring for a Black that I had. I rode a Minute 1 for a while but traded out for a Fox FloatRL 100/80. It took a while to get used to the air fork but I'll never go back. I weigh 270 and have had no problems dialing the fork in. As far as variable travel, the Talas rocks and you can find them at pretty good prices. Go to bestbikebuys.com and punch in fox talas. $409.00 right now at Jensonusa.com for the R model. The Talas is stiff, strong, light, and at $409 pretty cheap unless you want compression and lockout. Stay away from the Psylo. I hated mine. Way to much maintenance and it was a pain getting the right springs. They don't make anything very heavy anyway. I bent the lowers in 3 rides too. Good luck.
 

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I have an MX pro, at 225 I'm running at the upper-end of the air assist (low-pressure air). I have a Manitou Xvert-Air that I like on another bike, I had to get a firmer coil (It's an air/coil hybrid setup) that I like and it has huge tire clearance, unfortunately they're no longer available.
 

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I just put an X-firm spring in my Black Elite on my Komodo yesterday. what kind of fork is it?

edit: they have firm and x-firm available..
 

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It is a 2004 manitou black elite 90-120. They have the extra firm kits for the 2003 80-100 or the 100-120. The firm kit supposidly is for 180-210lb riders. The Manitou tech said the firms would be like butter under my weight.
 

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How are the air forks working. I have stayed away from the air for fear of blowing a seal. I had a float rear shock and after every ride I had to pump it up 20-40 psi if I took a few big hits. I went to a coil over and never have to wory about a broken seal or checking my air pressure. I liked the feal however of the air.

Have the air forks gotten better? At 270 what do you have to pump up the air chambers to? Do they maintain the air pressure? I dont care about compression as much as I cre about rebound. The lockout might be nice, but after a few times I would probably never use it:)
 

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Air Works for Clydes

I took a break from serious riding for about 6 years. I went from 205 to 325. At 325, I bought an S Enduro. It had the Fox Float R with Itch Switch. I pumped it up to 300lbs all the time and never had a problem. I did find that I was having to add air every time I checked it but Fox tells me that the more air you put in, the more escapes when you unscrew the pump. I started pumping it up to 315 (15 PSI over its max) and it would read 300 every time I checked it. I've had several fox rear shox and never had a problem. My epic runs smooth as it gets with no worries.

I am totally impressed with Fox Forx. I have yet to have a problem. I run the air at 135-140 and rarely, if ever, bottom the fork. It'll hold 200psi but at that PSI it rides like a rock. As far as loosing air from bottoming, that shouldn't happen. Most Forks and Shocks are made to bottom occasionally. Of course, I like the fox because they are so easily serviced in my home shop, which is my kitchen table. You can seriously rebuild the whole fork in about an hour. Rear shocks are a little different but your end of the maintenance takes about 15 minutes and if you keep it up you'll never have a problem.

I was totally against air until my buddy let me ride his Enduro with a Talas on the front. Bye Bye went the Manitou. I switched to air and will never go back.
 

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fox vanilla rl

I feel much better now, so here are my questions... Should I even try a Rock Shox Psylo? I am 250-60 and am going to put this fork on my Jamis Komodo. Are their any other externally adjustable forks to consider. If I stick with a regular fork I want atleast 100mm travel coil shock with rebound adjustment. Looking at mx comp coil. Any clydes use the air preload? Any problems? Any opinions on which fork to buy?

the popular opinion among clydes seems to be the fox vanilla rl or rlc. they offer six difernt springs. I will be putting one on my next bike. look at some of the older clydes postings on forks. :)
 

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Fred, what was the final decision on a new frame?

Bottom Line, skip the Psylo, it has poor dampening compared to its peers. Get a Manitou Black, Zochii or Fox and change the springs to meet your weight. You should really check with Larry @ mtnhighcyclery for great prices on Fox and marzochii forks.
 

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Stay away from Rock Shox. That's just my opinion. I have never had good luck with them. Also, I had a vanilla and still prefer the float. The 80 R or RL is a great fork and you can easily be extended to 100. It takes removing a spacer and about 15 minutes of your time. You can find them for pretty cheap too. Go to bestbikebuys.com and punch in fox float. The vanilla is a great fork too if you want to stick with springs. I just fell in love with air so I am a little biased. Good luck. There are tons of options. Happy hunting.
 

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I weigh 270 and ride a Minute One with the FIRM spring. I think it’s perfect for me. I get full travel on the bigger hits, but have not felt it bottom yet. Fox forks are nice too. Try them all if you can and decide which gizmos you want and which you don’t care for. It came down to that (features) for me, because the ride quality was decent and comparable on both.

The 2004 Black manual lists an X-Firm spring for Black Elite/Comp 120mm forks for 190lbs and above (the same rating they give the spring for my Minute One Firm spring). The part # for the Black X-Firm Spring is: 85-5855

Here is the Ride Kit table for the 2004 Black manual:
 
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need to know where to buy kits at ?

Now, where can some of those kits can be purchase ? I looked around on the web annd its mostly overseas...its about like 19.90 each ...so I was wondering which good online store that will sell those kits...

Let me know
 

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Now, where can some of those kits can be purchase ? I looked around on the web annd its mostly overseas...its about like 19.90 each ...so I was wondering which good online store that will sell those kits...

Let me know
Look up a Manitou dealer near you on answerproducts.com. They'll order it and have it to you out in DC in probably less than a week.

I'm late to the party, but pherret, what BiggDaddy was telling you is spot on correct. The RTWD (Rapid Travel Wind Down) Manitou forks, which is what your Elite is (was) ship with a "SOFT" spring as stock. Most other Manitou forks ship with a "MEDIUM", including the 100-80 and 120-100 RTA (Rapid Travel Adjust) Blacks.

In any case, Medium RTWD = Firm and Firm RTWD = X-Firm (more or less).

Anyway, bollocks on Manitou for not 'splaining this better, because I fell into a similar trap in ordering a lighter spring for my wife's RTWD Black Platinum. Only after I visited their tech trailer at a race did the guys make it clear that all RTWD forks ship with these lighter springs which, with the help skinnier booster spring (included and already installed in your fork) get the job done.
 

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Psylo? Run,as fast as you can...

.. the other direction. I've ridden with a Psylo SL for the past year on my 5.5" travel Titus SB and had many problems with it. The seals failed 3 different occasions and the lockout adjustment knob failed on me 3 times (I never used it, it would fail by popping out of the fork, spilling the contents all over the place). I finally got fed up with the failures and sent it back to Rock Shox, who assured me that the failures were not typical and they would be warranty fixing/replacing my fork within the week. Imagine my suprise when I received my COD package from Rock Shox for $100!!! Not only that, but the fork just wasn't a very good match for my TALAS rear shock. The fork was what I call a 'flexy-flyer' and would move all around while riding. In a nutshell, i hated the fork.

I sold the Psylo SL, purchased a Shermann firefly last week and couldn't be happier. The new fork actually works as advertised!! My SB feels MUCH more stable, stiff and responsive. I've bombed some pretty major hills so far with notsomuch as a whimper from the front end. The bike now tracks thru corners much better, absorbs big hits with great feedback and no ill effects. Jumps can be accomplished with more control on both take off and landing and I feel good.. which is the most important aspect of this adventure! Do yourself a favor, ditch the idea of a Psylo SL, opt for something that's better able to support you as a rider.

Btw, I am 220 lbs and 5'10"
 

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240lbs here... had awesome luck w/ my MX Pro. No HD spring needed as you just up the air in one side. Flawless performance, super stiff, etc....
Buy one now.

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I have an MX pro, at 225 I'm running at the upper-end of the air assist (low-pressure air). I have a Manitou Xvert-Air that I like on another bike, I had to get a firmer coil (It's an air/coil hybrid setup) that I like and it has huge tire clearance, unfortunately they're no longer available.
 

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I have a Black Comp

And I ride with the standard medium spring. I am 220#. I ordered the firm spring kit for it, changed it out and hated it. It was o.k. in the 120mm mode, but way too stiff in 100mm. I don't have RTWD though, so my spring rate changes with travel changes. I called Manitou's customer service because I had a question regarding installing the new spring, and I found them very helpful. Don't give up on the black, it's a great fork. I love mine, and have had zero problems with it.
 

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I've had air shocks and forks on various bikes for 14 years and never had an air problem. In fact I don't understand why more air doesn't leak out.

You ever wonder why your buddy who is 30 pounds lighter than you can race down twisty single track and dust you. Because relative to his weight his fork is stiffer. It doesn't work to just put stiffer springs in the fork. All you get is more travel in your suspension on rougher stuff. YOU WILL STILL HAVE FLIMSY STANCHIONS, that twist on the bumps and turns and make you fell like you are going too fast.

One way to improve a flimsy fork is to find a stiffer straight axle to put through it. This will make both stanchions work stiffer by making a more solid connection between them. The best thing is to find a fork that is a mite heavier or built to do heavier stuff. Since your a Clyde you might want to look at things like forks build for jumping or freeride. These forks are stiffer and stronger, usually. The trouble you will have is most FR (freeride) or Dirt Jumping forks will be built taller for different bike frames.

So that's how I ended up with FR style frame and front end , but for me it's a cross country bike. I have had several cross country bikes in the past and there is no comparison in ride. The FR bike handles the downhills so much better that the first time my riding buddy and I rode together I smoked him bad on the down hills. I thought I was going to suffer on the uphills, but it hasn't been a noticeable problem even though I am now 5 lbs heavier bikewise. So find a heavy stiff fork with a straight axle and start really riding.
 

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Quit screwing around, and just call up Marzocchi. They will sell you a Z-1. It is the most bombproof 5 inch fork on the market, and Marzocchi will put in the X-heavy springs for you before they ship it. It has external preload adjustment. ETA which lowers the travel to 50mm so you can handle the long climbs, and also an air preload. I weigh 230, and have not had to add air yet to the air preload, and I do 5 foot drops all day long on that thing.
 

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Which ZI Fork?

I'm spending time trying to figure out how to replace my Fuel 90 that busted it's frame on me once (I'm 250 lb) in less than a year and likely to do it again from what I read on this forum. :mad: So I'm looking for a replacement ride before I get stranded in the middle of nowhere with frame break and catastrophic results. I bike long distances into remote areas alone with only a GPS - sort of stupid and drives my wife nuts but I can't find anyone that matches my slightly slower rate for many hours of epic rides, and I enjoy being alone to do whatever I want.

Also, the Manitou Black fork is too weak for me even with the extra firm springs and staying way back on downhills. The fork feels very wobbly to me and caused serious handling issue and crashes on me, including a trip to the ER last year from a 30 MPH tumble with a fork twist on a simple little 4" deep but narrow tire-catching ditch hidden in the grass that caught my tire and threw me down before I knew what happened. I could have bought a new bike with my $1700 deductable on the visit with CAT scans. Since there was nothing to hit in the area, I amazingly didn't break anything, just pulled about every major muscle on every limb, shoulders, stomach, and ribs and left most of my skin in the dirt. I want a good new fork as well. I'll pay whatever it takes to get the right one.

I've been getting lots of good suggestions from this forum and looking recently at the Santa Cruz Heckler. You recommend a Z1 fork, but there's about 10 styles of this fork on the Marzocchi web site (which is a miserable site with no product description I can find). According to Santa Cruz's web site with a standard kit I can get either a Z150 or Z1 FR QR20+. I see the 20 mm axle is recommended for stiffness, and I think the also Z150 comes standard with this. The Heckler can also be configured the Fox Talas, Sherman Firefly and others, but I gather the Z1 is recommend for strengh with my size, even though it's more of a downhill fork. I only need about 4" to 5" of fork travel since I mostly do XC and long steep climbs with occasional mild (<2' drop) technical. I gather the ETA can limit bob on the climbs?
So specifically which of the Z1 forks would you recommend, and what about any of the other fork options for my XC use with my size. What about the other Marzocchi XC forks (the Z1 is listed as DH) - are they not strong or stiff enough?

Thanks for the advice.
 

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The Z-1 I was referring to was the Z-1FR with standard quick release. There is no need for the 20mm thur axle if you are only doing drops up to 5 feet. The same fork may also be listed as the Z-1 ETA. I have a 2004, and the thing is stiff, and super tuneable. Check the reviews on this site. Padre also had a good suggestion.
 
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