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Hi Guys (and girls, we wouldnt want to offend the equal opportunity act)

I have been Mountain Biking for a few years now on a GT Avalanche 2.0 Hard Tail (Upgraded with Manitou Splice Super Forks)

I have been doing alot of different types of riding. I have been doing alot of Cross Country riding (Including the High School Provincial Championships in Whistler during a student exchange) But I also enjoy riding downhill with plenty of 3 foot drops on my favourite track. I've even had a short lived foray into the Dirt Jumping tribe of Mountain Biking.

I want to get a duallie because a) I want to keep bike riding, while reserving my right to have kids one day :D and b) because the Avalanche is now showing some serious signs of overuse and abuse (dont tell social services)

I have been looking at one of those new fangled Specialized Stumpjumpers (not carbon), but they are pretty expensive so I have also been looking at the Specialized FSRxc which is a cheaper option and still a very nice bike.

I was wondering what everyones opinion is on the matter and espescially what some other options are (e.g. is the GT i-Drive platform any good?)

-Thanks in advance for your advice
 

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Theres tons of threads about am bikes....

Stumpy is light, seems to me you'll be wishing for a bigger bike real soon from the description of the riding you do. I'd go with a bike like an Enduro, Reign, Nomad, and a bazillion others that are comparable..

Go test ride as many as you can :thumbsup:
 

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Buddy of mine has a FSRxc Pro, and its fantastic for XC. For the money, its a great alternative to the Stumpjumper. I've got an '05 Giant Reign 2, which fits the All Mountain stereotype a little better as that its got an extra couple inches of travel as well as working fantastic on everything else. I'm guessing from your name that your an Aussie, and if thats the case your '05 Reign 2 came with a Nixon fork with an air spring, instead of the coil spring on mine. Their cheap and selling fast so look into it if you can spare around $1600 USD (sorry, don't know the conversion rate) you'll get a fantastic bike that will treat your aft end a little better.
 

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Wow thanks guys.

Espescially interested in Clutchman83's comment about the Reign 2 fitting the AM stereotype and davec113's comment on the light weight of the Stumpjumper. At what point does the need for 6 inches of travel arise. I suppose I should add that I am doing less and less of my Gravity fed antics and am now leaning more towards trail riding. However I do need a bike that will hold up to the small drops.

If I were to only do 2 foot drops would youu still recomend the Epic and Riegn or would the Stumpjumpers 120mm, or even the FSRxc's 100mm be adequate?
 

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Wow thanks guys.

Espescially interested in Clutchman83's comment about the Reign 2 fitting the AM stereotype and davec113's comment on the light weight of the Stumpjumper. At what point does the need for 6 inches of travel arise. I suppose I should add that I am doing less and less of my Gravity fed antics and am now leaning more towards trail riding. However I do need a bike that will hold up to the small drops.

If I were to only do 2 foot drops would youu still recomend the Epic and Riegn or would the Stumpjumpers 120mm, or even the FSRxc's 100mm be adequate?
Its just personal preference... as long as the parts you choose hold up for a reasonable amount of time. I have a rigid, and you can ride it on 2-3 ft drops, its just not as comfortable or safe. It just sounded to me from what you described that you might want to consider a bigger bike. Also, lots of guys start out with xc bikes then wish for more later. It'll take you a long time, if ever, to decide you need something burlier than a 6" bike. My bike originally had xcish parts, now has a lot more fr/dh parts (7" fr / 6" rear)...Weight went from 30 to 37 lbs... The bike is still capable of more than I am. Ultimately, you'll have to ride 'em and see what you like...

Oh, the stumpy being light means its more xc oriented... people like 'em, and its worth a test ride, I'm not saying anything is wrong with them.
 

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6" travel is a luxury to me. I could get by with a bike that had much less, but having all that squish on tap just makes me laugh histerically every time I do something I didn't think I could. I think it accelerated my learning curve, because I used to be really tentative about trying new things with my hardtail. I fell alot when doing really gnarly downhills because I just couldn't keep my tire on the ground, now I do stuff I wouldn't imagine attempting with the old bike. It's not that its made me a better rider, but it has a safety margin that helps keep you from getting in over your head on most turrain. Because of that, I'm alot more eager to try new things and thats what helps me up my skill. The bottom line for me is that a Reign allows me to have the confidence to do things I didn't want to attempt before, that makes it worth every penny for me.
 

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Once again thanks guys,

The last two posts have given me a few good things to think about.

I am still stuck with two questions.

Firstly for davec, how hard is it to upgrade a bike, in a way similar to the way you did.
Secondly for clutchman, what is the difference between a Reign 2 and a Reign 3.

Thanks for your help.
 

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For my question, the answer is... components! keep in mind this is a US version

According to the '05 catalog Reign 2 specs that differ from 3 are as follows:

Fork - Manitou Nixon Elite. This fork was originally spec'd at 6" travel, but with the Reign suspension, the tire ended up eating the headset at full compression, which was obviously disastrous for riding. Manitou fixed this by installing travel-limiting spacers that resulted in a loss of 0.5" travel, or limiting the shock to 135mm instead of 145mm of travel. I haven't had any reason to complain, still works fine, not sure if the Aussie version of the fork has the same travel issues, might want to look that one up on your own.

Brakes - Hayes HFX-9 XC Hydraulic discs, 6" dia.

Wheels - Alex DP20 w/ carbon hubs

Drivetrain - Shimano XT derailleur and shifters, LX front Derailleur and shifters, Race Face Evolve XC X-Type crankset

Reign 3 specs

Fork - Manitou Splice Elite w/ 5" travel

Brakes - Hayes SOLE XC Hydraulic disc w/ 6" rotors

Wheels - Alex DP20 w/ alum hubs

Drivetrain - Shimano LX Derailleurs front and rear, Deore shifters (same as Reign 2), Race Face Ride XC ISIS Crankset

Difference between the two

The Reign 2 is basically spec'd with better components for shifting, braking, wheelset, and drivetrain. There is nothing wrong with the R3's components, but the R2's are a step above. Think of the R3 vs R2 vs R1 as a good, better, best kind of deal. There is no crappy version. They all have fantastic components, the question is, are you going to want room to upgrade, or do you want the top of the line right off the bat? The R2 gives me the best compromise, not too hot and not too cold, its perfect! (for me). I guess it's more of a psychological thing, if I bought a R3, I'd know I want to upgrade, but the R1 was priced out of my range. For me, the R2 offered the performance at the price without a compromise, and it worked out perfect. Just my opinion, if you can't get your hands on a R2, but have a R3 available, I wouldn't pass it up, the half inch travel in front suspension can always be rectified by picking up a better fork down the road.
 

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Thankyou Clutchman,

I do appreciate the time you've put into that response. In Australia the Reign 3 is $800 cheaper than the Reign 2.

The prices of the bikes I have examined are as follows:

Specialized FSR XC Pro 2006 AU$2999.95
Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 2006 AU$3499.95 (Aproximately the tip of what I can afford)
Giant Reign 3 2006 AU$2195.00
Giant Reign 2 2006 AU$2995.00
Santa Cruz Blur LT 2006 AU$5799.00 (Way too expensive)

I am still curious about the GT I-Drive technology, and a new technology Scott has recently produced, also do Cannondale or Kona make comparable bikes?
 

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Just to close up for the night here is what I have thought about so far.

Specialized FSRxc Comp 2006 AU$2499.00
Specialized FSR XC Pro 2006 AU$2999.95
Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 2006 AU$3499.95 (Aproximately the tip of what I can afford)
Giant Reign 3 2006 AU$2195.00
Giant Reign 2 2006 AU$2995.00
Santa Cruz Blur LT 2006 AU$5799.00 (Way too expensive)
GT I-Drive 4 2006 AU$2910.00
GT I-Drive 5 2006 AU$2950.00
Scott Genius MC50 2006 AU$3299.00
Cannondale Rush 600 AU$2900.00
Cannondale Prophet 400 AU$2400
Cannondale Prophet 600 AU$2900
 

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Over the last 1.5 months I was researching my first full suspension bike, and had a few of the bikes you list above as my choices (Yeti 575, Specialized Stumpjumper Enduro Expert, Giant Reign 1and2, Cannondale Rush and Prophets, Titus Motolite, Gary Fisher bikes). I must have ridden 20-30 different bikes all over Colorado, trying to test out as many as possible to see how they felt for me. After riding everything I had narrowed it down to the Yeti 575 and the Stumpy Enduro Expert - I also liked the Reign, but it didn't make the short list. I decided on the Yeti 575 after another week of testing just the Stumpy and Yetis. As a side note, my girlfriend purchased a Stumpy Comp. Both bikes are wonderful and have handled some early punishment well. Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong with any of those bikes... the key is to find which one feels best for you. If you are definitely an XC rider now, then less travel is fine... if you are on the fence, then perhaps more travel is good. Shocks are expensive, though, so you don't want to have to chunk down $1000+ extra to beef up an XC bike right away... That was one of the reasons I went with the beefier Yeti 575 and Stumpy Enduro Expert when I narrowed the list. They felt stiff and quick enough on climbs and burly enough on downhill to feel right for me.
 

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There is also a pretty big weight difference between the Reign 2 and 3. The 3 is pretty heavy for what it is... I think around 35 lbs, the 2 is around 30 (I think). Check out other bike threads, there are A LOT of frames in this catagory to choose from!

Its not hard to upgrade, but as JSD said, shocks are expensive. I have a Giant AC Air Lite, after a short time the RS airshock had to go. Pedal bob was rediculous, the 6" travel setting unusable. A friend got me a 5th Element Coil for $250, now it stays in 6" mode all the time, bob is gone... The Psylo front fork took me a long time to outgrow, but that ended up being a good thing, it made me pick lines and ride smooth. The current '06 Boxxer Ride (5"-7" adjustable) is a great match for the 5th coil, and now I have a bike that is capable of more than I can do once again. I got the fork for $400 on ebay... Other things are much more minor, new seatpost, stem, handlebars, and misc. stuff that wears or breaks over time. It is pretty funny to see a dc fork and coil shock on a frame that says "Air Lite" on it... But it is still amazingly able to climb, depending mainly on tire choice. I got 2.4 Mutanos for trailriding, and they roll really fast!

Also, the Reign will not fit a 5th element type coil shock in its frame, the '07s might... I hear a lot of people liking air shocks these days, but my last air shock was outdated and not comparable to modern ones, so I can't say if thats a big deal...
 

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Just to close up for the night here is what I have thought about so far.

Specialized FSRxc Comp 2006 AU$2499.00
Specialized FSR XC Pro 2006 AU$2999.95
Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 2006 AU$3499.95 (Aproximately the tip of what I can afford)
Giant Reign 3 2006 AU$2195.00
Giant Reign 2 2006 AU$2995.00
Santa Cruz Blur LT 2006 AU$5799.00 (Way too expensive)
GT I-Drive 4 2006 AU$2910.00
GT I-Drive 5 2006 AU$2950.00
Scott Genius MC50 2006 AU$3299.00
Cannondale Rush 600 AU$2900.00
Cannondale Prophet 400 AU$2400
Cannondale Prophet 600 AU$2900
How's pricing on the Enduro?
That or the Reign 2 would be my choices (when "drops" are involved). Otherwise the Stumpy FSR or Trance (if 100mm travel is enough, they are supposed to stand up pretty well to some abuse).
 

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Three words: Santa Cruz Heckler.

The Stumpjumper FSR Comp is US$2200 and you can build a Heckler for less if needed (or a whole lot more) If Santa Cruz pricing in Australia is similar to Specialized you may be able to spec on out in your price range. I've seen new Hecklers priced under US$2000 here in the states. You won't find a do it all bike (pedal up and bomb down) like it especially at its price point.
 

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Specialized FSRxc Comp 2006 AU$2499.00
Specialized FSR XC Pro 2006 AU$2999.95
Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 2006 AU$3499.95
Specialized Enduro AU$3549
Giant Reign 3 2006 AU$2195.00
Giant Reign 2 2006 AU$2995.00
Giant Trance 2 AU$2895.00
Giant Trance 3 AU$2195.00
GT I-Drive 4 2006 AU$2910.00
GT I-Drive 5 2006 AU$2950.00
Scott Genius MC50 2006 AU$3299.00
Cannondale Rush 600 AU$2900.00
Cannondale Prophet 400 AU$2400
Cannondale Prophet 600 AU$2900
Kona Dawg AU$2199.00
Kona Dawg Dulux AU$2750.00

Sadly I've had to rule out Yeti and Santa Cruz bikes as in Australia they are very pricey and tend to come frame only from most suppliers.

At the moment my list is far from being a short list, I am going to have to think about whether my riding style necesitates the longer travel bikes or whether the shorter travel bikes will suffice, however I would like to leave some sort of buffer in case I suddenly take up more extreme activities on my bike.

I also have to check my bank accounts balance ;)
 

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If you have your budget set, ride 'em all and buy the one that fits you best. At the end of the day, the bike that fits you best is the best bike for you.
 

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Ah but therein lies a problem, may budget fluctuates a damn lot, I have to figure out how much my parents will put in.

hmmm if the old tactic of talking about how much safer a new bike will be, and the newer tactic of promising I'll follow my dad into the Law profesion still work maybe I can get AU$1200, but I'll probably be funding the rest out of life savings and baby sitting money...

Grrrr, still a couple of years till I'm old enough for the full minimun wage...
 

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FSR XC Pro.

Hi Australia.
Being from Sydney I had a look around with about $3000 to play around with and ended up purchasing the FSR XC Pro as being most suitable for my needs. Bombing a fire trial and some single track for my orienteering so I don't need to higher sussy (fives or higher).
the best thing I found about it was the fox triad. it allows me to either lock it out for city riding (getting to work for fitness) or pro and fully active when slammin them trails. so factor in the shocks abilites when deciding as well will hopefully pay dividends if like me you intend to ride it around on tarmac etc.
 
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