I'm looking to find the reach measurement on a large mason, which isn't listed on the website for whatever reason. I call up the only CS# they have. Moron on the other end sez "All of the geometry figures are listed on the website". Moron proceeds to start reading me the geometry figures from top to bottom. I interrupt moron and say "I need the reach measurement, I have everything on the website". Moron replies "That's the measurement from top of the headtube to middle of saddle, that's 24.4". "No," I suggest to the moron on the other end, "that's effective top tube length. Reach is a horizontal line from the top of the head tube to a vertical line through the BB at 90 degrees." Dim sez "no, that's top tube length, the reach is 24.4". Thanks knuckledragger, I'll keep looking. Not sure what I expected, to be honest.