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Headed out for an early ride on Saturday to beat the heat, as usual had my pepper spray clipped to my Camelback strap. Got to the first stream crossing and rode up behind a woman with three or four dogs. I slowed to walking speed and waited for her to notice me. Well, her dogs sure noticed me and one of them started barking and making like he wanted to nip my feet. The woman starts yelling like a maniac at the dog - it's immediately clear that she has NO voice control whatsoever over any of the dogs. So I keep on riding through and this one dog, an Irish terrier, I think, follows me along, barking and getting in my way. I briefly think about unclipping a foot and giving it a swift kick to the teeth, but I think, why risk hurting myself? This is exactly why I bought the pepper spray and carried it around for 2 years. So I pull it out and and, just as the dog charges me on the right, I give the smallest possible squirt, maybe a quarter of a second. Man, that dog just plain DISAPPEARED! No bark, no yelp, just GONE. I laughed my ass off.

Yeah, I probably could have just kept riding until the dog got bored with me, but I like to think I did a good deed by teaching it to leave bikers alone.
 
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I've found that swinging your feet to one side of the bike opposite of the dog will make then put their face into your frame.

I've had several potential dog attacks I got away from because the dogs manage to get their nose in the spokes or their paw under the wheel. They always leave me alone once they realize bikes hurt like hell!
 

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Jim Beam said:
Well, her dogs sure noticed me and one of them started barking and making like he wanted to nip my feet.
Wow - I'm just thankful you survived such a vicious attack by one of the great natural predators.

We all know how many people die each year in random Terrier attacks. Thank goodness you escaped unscathed.

Maybe if you call the park service, they will tag the beast and relocate it so it doesn't endanger any other unsuspecting trail users.

You could call the local paper too. "Cyclist narrowly escapes Toe Nipping through judicious use of Pepper Spray!"

Sounds like front page news to me.
 

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Whooahhh PETA rep...

forkboy said:
Wow - I'm just thankful you survived such a vicious attack by one of the great natural predators.

We all know how many people die each year in random Terrier attacks. Thank goodness you escaped unscathed.

Maybe if you call the park service, they will tag the beast and relocate it so it doesn't endanger any other unsuspecting trail users.

You could call the local paper too. "Cyclist narrowly escapes Toe Nipping through judicious use of Pepper Spray!"

Sounds like front page news to me.
(hope this doesn't post twice, server issues ya know)

- if there was a leash law in the county then the dogs should have been leashed and controlled in public. It doesn't take a Bull Terrier to cause harm. If the dog was leashed and he still sprayed it just for fun then he's a wanker (no offense to actual Wanker).

Could he have rode on without incident? Probably but who am I to say.
Was he or the owner in the wrong? The owner no doubt. If people can't control their POS dogs in public then they should be keept at home.

I have 2 Boxers at home. Not that anyone cares just for reference.

Spray on Pepper Boy!!!
 

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forkboy said:
You could call the local paper too. "Cyclist narrowly escapes Toe Nipping through judicious use of Pepper Spray!"

Sounds like front page news to me.
Nah, the only headline here is "Forkboy Attempts Sarcasm, Again."

This was not some little rat-dog. It was as big as my Australian cattle dog, probably between 55 and 70 pounds.
 

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Jim Beam said:
Nah, the only headline here is "Forkboy Attempts Sarcasm, Again."

This was not some little rat-dog. It was as big as my Australian cattle dog, probably between 55 and 70 pounds.
usually i find that when a dog chases and nips, it just wants to play. Best thing is to stop and it will usually go back to the owner with no problem...i now know thats it best to blind the thing, especially on the trail where there is no water supply to wash its eyes out...

i can't believe that you actually own a dog, or that you you have no idea what you put that dog and the owner through...bet you ran off too without offering to help the poor thing when it followed its instinct and hid in the brush when it suddenly went blind in horrible pain :mad:

try a little tabasco in your eyes and you'll get about 10% of the pain you put that animal through...just because you could (bet you were waiting for a chance to use that stuff on every ride since you got it, no?)
 

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JM01 said:
... it followed its instinct and hid in the brush when it suddenly went blind in horrible pain :mad:

try a little tabasco in your eyes and you'll get about 10% of the pain you put that animal through...just because you could (bet you were waiting for a chance to use that stuff on every ride since you got it, no?)
semi-agree.

spray the owner. It's not the dogs fault per se.
 

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I knew it..............

I knew when I put this post up that a bunch of "experts" would respond, making asses of themselves when they don't know all the facts. But I put it up anyway for the sheer entertainment value. And I haven't been disappointed.

I have put up with a lot of obnoxious dogs and dog owners and I've always just been polites and let them pass. I want people to know that mtn bikers here are not jerks. But if someone can't control their dogs, and it looks like I'm either going to get bitten or knocked off my bike, then I'm justified in repelling that dog by whatever means are at my disposal. I've been bitten before and it wasn't fun.

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i now know thats it best to blind the thing, especially on the trail where there is no water supply to wash its eyes out...

i can't believe that you actually own a dog, or that you you have no idea what you put that dog and the owner through...bet you ran off too without offering to help the poor thing when it followed its instinct and hid in the brush when it suddenly went blind in horrible pain :mad:

try a little tabasco in your eyes and you'll get about 10% of the pain you put that animal through...just because you could (bet you were waiting for a chance to use that stuff on every ride since you got it, no?)
For your information, Mr. Expert who wasn't there, I stopped at the next switchback to check on this woman's progress and warn some hikers coming down about these dogs. The shithead terrier or whatever it was was running around just as obnoxious as before.
 

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Jim Beam said:
Headed out for an early ride on Saturday to beat the heat, as usual had my pepper spray clipped to my Camelback strap. Got to the first stream crossing and rode up behind a woman with three or four dogs. I slowed to walking speed and waited for her to notice me. Well, her dogs sure noticed me and one of them started barking and making like he wanted to nip my feet. The woman starts yelling like a maniac at the dog - it's immediately clear that she has NO voice control whatsoever over any of the dogs. So I keep on riding through and this one dog, an Irish terrier, I think, follows me along, barking and getting in my way. I briefly think about unclipping a foot and giving it a swift kick to the teeth, but I think, why risk hurting myself? This is exactly why I bought the pepper spray and carried it around for 2 years. So I pull it out and and, just as the dog charges me on the right, I give the smallest possible squirt, maybe a quarter of a second. Man, that dog just plain DISAPPEARED! No bark, no yelp, just GONE. I laughed my ass off.

Yeah, I probably could have just kept riding until the dog got bored with me, but I like to think I did a good deed by teaching it to leave bikers alone.
You bought pepper spray in case a 30 lb dog wanted to play with you?
You didnt do a good deed. Do you really think a dog knows the difference between a human walking and a human on a silly looking contraption with two wheels?
Big man.
 

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Jim Beam said:
Nah, the only headline here is "Forkboy Attempts Sarcasm, Again."
Nope - that's old news. Usually in the back section near the "GWM seeks Discreet Encounter" personals.

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So I keep on riding through and this one dog, an Irish terrier, I think, follows me along, barking and getting in my way
You did make it sound like a pretty frightening encounter. I was scared for you.

They are a fearsome breed.

<img src=https://student.fortlewis.edu/mwmages/puppies-09.jpg>

This one is bigger than a Jeep!

<img src=https://student.fortlewis.edu/mwmages/candid-26.jpg>
 

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Pepper spray blinds temporarily

JM01 said:
usually i find that when a dog chases and nips, it just wants to play. Best thing is to stop and it will usually go back to the owner with no problem...i now know thats it best to blind the thing, especially on the trail where there is no water supply to wash its eyes out...

i can't believe that you actually own a dog, or that you you have no idea what you put that dog and the owner through...bet you ran off too without offering to help the poor thing when it followed its instinct and hid in the brush when it suddenly went blind in horrible pain :mad:

try a little tabasco in your eyes and you'll get about 10% of the pain you put that animal through...just because you could (bet you were waiting for a chance to use that stuff on every ride since you got it, no?)
Spare me..... the stuff was developed to provide a temporary, painful means of subduing an attacker. Have you ever noticed what a Postal Carrier has hanging from their letter bag? Any idea what it's there for? It's not to fend off would be mail thieves, but to help the carrier defend themselves from being attacked by an animal...primarily dogs. As for your assumption that there was no water to flush the dog's eyes with, re-read the post. the cyclist had just finished crossing a stream.

Now I'm about as sympathetic as anyone when it comes to animals, and I'm not going to get into a debate over whether or not the original poster was justified in spraying the dog or not. His post clearly stated that he slowed down so the woman could see him approaching. One could surmise that the dogs were not leashed, in that the woman was screaming at the dogs, but her screams were ignored. He had a few choices, as he clearly stated. Kick the dog, ride away, or spray. He chose the middle of the road, which was a viable option. While I don't necessarily agree with his logic, yes, it probably tought the dog not to mess with bicycles.

Perhaps next time the woman will have her pets leashed and under control, as they should be. If not she risks the same thing happening again, or perhaps even worse.

Just my thoughts, and I recognize you may not agree with them.

Bob
 

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forkboy said:
Nope - that's old news. Usually in the back section near the "GWM seeks Discreet Encounter" personals.

You did make it sound like a pretty frightening encounter. I was scared for you.

They are a fearsome breed.

This one is bigger than a Jeep!

-ahh come on... thats not even a real live dog. lol

but for compairson: I have 2 kids. they are White (caucasion if you must). They certainly are very respectful and thoughtful to others they encounter. So from your logic White kids don't attack people.

So... your saying all Terriers are the same...all Boxers are the same...all White kids...all Black kids............hmm.
 

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yeah JB!

What's your problem? Big ol guy like you, scared of a wittle doggie :p

You clearly should've waited, just to see if the dog would've bitten you. If he bites you, try to get away and then, when you've calmed down and the adrenaline is no longer flowing, you should've politely spoken to the owner, maybe request a band-aid, and listen while she tells you that he's never (ever) done this before. He's really a good doggie.

And if he doesn't bite you, no big deal, just continue on your ride. If you think that he's going to bite you, stop your ride, put your bike between you and the dog, scream at the dog (like a wittle girlie man), shout for the owner, and maybe climb a tree.
 

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So from your logic White kids don't attack people.

So... your saying all Terriers are the same...all Boxers are the same...all White kids...all Black kids............hmm.
I'll have to unhinge my jaw for all the words you are putting in my mouth.

I really don't recall saying anything about the temperament of any breed of dog being any better than another, or any breed of children being better than another.

All I did was sarcastically admire the fortitude of Jim Beam in the face of the overwhelming terror he must have felt being attacked by vicious animals.

Those other words all belong to you.

And, in all reality, there was not a whole lot of logic of any sort in my post.
 

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Good grief, it's not like he unloaded the whole can into the dog's eyes. The story makes it sound like he sprayed just enough for the dog to get a whiff of it and run off. He also said that the dog continued to run around afterward (while the OP was warning the hikers further ahead).

I personally feel the OP handled it the right way. Kicking the dog would only result in one of two reactions: The dog would see it was a playful maneuver on the rider's part and would become more aggressive/playful in behavior, escalating the situation, or the rider would have seriously injured the dog rather than scaring it off.

We have a 95lb box/bulldog mix at home. He wouldn't hurt a fly, has never even snapped at anyone (he rolls on his stomach to be scratched, even for strangers), yet he'll try to bite any wheel that's rolling (he's ruined a bike tire of mine as well as the wheelbarrow tire once). You never know what sort of behaviour a strange dog will have.
 

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Jim Beam said:
For your information, Mr. Expert who wasn't there, I stopped at the next switchback to check on this woman's progress and warn some hikers coming down about these dogs. The shithead terrier or whatever it was was running around just as obnoxious as before.
should have them warning people about you...guess i missed something, your first post sounded like you were kinda proud of finally getting to use the stuff...stock up, there'll be more opportunities, i'm sure.

You didn't mention the kind of trail you were on...mixed use?, hiking?, bikes only?...could it have been her fault?, I'm sure that she has learned her lesson and will never make that mistake again (or maybe carry her own little bottle of mace in case it happens again)
 
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