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Finally broke the 28 pound ETSX70 barrier

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rockyuphill

Discussion Starter · Dec 26, 2005

I have finally pushed through the 28 pound barrier on my 19" ETSX70 without going nuts on weight weenie pieces. And this is the weight with some mud stuck still on the 2.35" Kenda Kinetic tires. I just replaced the standard RP3 and TALAS fork with new PUSH massaged RP3 and a new 90-130mm PUSH'd TALAS and that dipped her below the 28.2 weight.The original 85-125mm TALAS weighed in at 4.05 pounds.

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alejovila

· #2 · Nov 28, 2006

27 is good but...

Hi my ETSX 2006 size medium (18) is custom built, and It weigths 25 pound.

Easton carbon handlebar
Thomson setapost
Thomson stem
Manitou Minute 1:00 fork
Fox RP23 (2007)
Race Face Deus crank
Crankbrothers pedals
Mavic rims
XT Hubs
Whellsmet spokes
WTB Tites
XT gears

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islander

· #3 · Nov 28, 2006

Rocky - you should double check your XY post is inserted far enough into frame. I have same 390mm post, and in your picture A LOT of post is showing, so much that you may not have it inserted as low as bottom of top-tube junction. I'd hate to see such a beauty frame get mangled.

Cheers, Mike.

rockyuphill

Discussion Starter · #4 · Nov 28, 2006

Lotsa depth in the frame on this puppy

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puckhead

· #5 · Nov 28, 2006

alejovila said:
Hi my ETSX 2006 size medium (18) is custom built, and It weigths 25 pound.

Easton carbon handlebar
Thomson setapost
Thomson stem
Manitou Minute 1:00 fork
Fox RP23 (2007)
Race Face Deus crank
Crankbrothers pedals
Mavic rims
XT Hubs
Whellsmet spokes
WTB Tites
XT gears

I think you need to check your weight. I have mine built up with DT 240 hubs, Mavic 717D rims, Marta SL brakes and 2.1 Weirwolfs and it comes in at 27.5 pounds. Everything else is carbon or other light stuff. Not sure I could drop another 1.5 pounds even if I tried.

alejovila

· #6 · Nov 28, 2006

I will check it again tomorrow but...

My friend sold me the frame and the bike was 23.5 pounds!!!!!!! he claims...
Look at the old pic, he has magura, spinergy wheels, thomson, SRAM, I don know what elese but I had the oportunity to take a closer look and the bike was very, very ligtht.

Hey I will check it again to see if I am wrong, probably I am.

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rockyuphill

Discussion Starter · #7 · Nov 29, 2006

Yep it was a challenge to get mine below 28 pounds, and it has Hope XC hubs, SRAM X-0 rear derailleur and shifters, SRAM 990 cassette, XTR front mech, Magura Marta SL discs, Race Face cockpits bits. Without going to much skinnier tires and really tweaky lightweight carbon cockpit pieces it would be tough to drop 3 pounds off the bike. It would likely cost another $500 to shave another pound off. I'm pretty happy with the weight versus durability tradeoff right now.

EtsxTeam

· #8 · Nov 29, 2006 (Edited)

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My 18" 2006 Etsx ( not scandium) Weighs in at 27.8 lbs. 06 Fox Talas TrailTune Logic 130mm. 07 Fox RP23 rear. Full M960 Xtr components. RaceFace carbon oversize bar. RaceFace carbon seat post. Thompson stem(heavier but stiff) Stock Selle Transam seat. Chris King ISO disc hubs( not the lightest but bomb proof) DT swiss Xr4id rims. Panaracer Fire pro 2.1 rubber. Hope seat post clamp and wheel skewers.
With 5k invested I don't think you could break into the 25 pound range with out using the extra small frame and over 6k of light weight candy thrown on it. My friend has a 19" scandium Team with same fork and rear. Hope hubs same rims, same Bars and seat post, Xrt cranks, Marta sl brakes Etc. and his is about 27.7 lbs. His frame is lighter but being a 19" probably hurts it some.

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alejovila

· #9 · Nov 30, 2006

I am sure you can get your ESTX below 25

If you get Spinergy wheels, Kenda Navegal 1.95, Thomson master pice, carbon flat handlebar, Deus Race face, Magura Brakes carbon, WTB sadle, SRAM Carbon, Marzocchi Marathon sl 120, Ti crank brothers.

Sure you can get it to 25, I had Santa Cruz Heckler that was 26 and that frame was 6.5 lb, heavyer than ETSX wich is 6.3 lb.

am I Crazy????

puckhead

· #10 · Nov 30, 2006

Building a sub 25 pound trail bike is like putting 14 inch wheels and all season tires on a 4x4 truck to get better gas mileage. You can do it, but what’s the point?

EtsxTeam

· #11 · Nov 30, 2006 (Edited)

Plus one on what Puckhead said.
I already have Ti Pedals, And how much less can a carbon flat bar weigh than a carbon riser bar cant be a killing. My seat is less than the standard Wtb seat. I will not skimp on a Fork. It is a all mountain bike, And has to be dressed up to do so. It is not a XC bike.
It must be able to bomb hills take 3-4' drops and not break. I am very hard on wheels, And at 210lbs If I need to loose another pound to make it up a hill, Than I will skip lunch, easier for me to loose the weight than the bike. See the picture. Put a big guy on a weak bike and roll down the hill it will self destruct. I have to keep strong stuff on the bike.

The Rocky Team bikes with scandium frame and Marzocchi forks still don't weigh under 26 lbs. and they have more than 6k in those bikes. Again there might be some lighter parts but the team riders usually ride the most expensive high bling stuff out there. My 2 cents

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alejovila

· #12 · Nov 30, 2006

Not All Mountain Not Xc

For me the ETSX is not really an all mountain bike, it is more an agresive XC than all mountain. Rocky call it Cross-Country Marathon.

All mountain for me are bikes like: Slayer, Santa Cruz Heckler, Intense .5.5, Specilized Enduro, all of these bikes weigths 27 to 33 aprox, and they have more than 140 mm of front suspension.

The ETSX is a rare combination that I really love, I can claim for 3 hours I put the rear suspension at 4 inches and get the RP23 locked, then at the top I change to 5.5 unlock the rear, set the front at 130 mm and I go downhill like a maniac!!!

But still it is a bike made for long rides where the weigths really matters, after 5 hours of riding every gram counts and your legs feels it.

My perfect bike is a Rocky ETSX that weigths 24 pounds, that I can claim better like a feather ang go downhill like bullet. This is not crazy and there is a point, maybe you dont like to claims and you are using your ETSX to go just downhill and that is ok but if you ride 5 to 11 hours and you do epic rides where you have to do both claims and downhill you need all your endurance and if your bike weigths 28 lb, well you will survive but I rather have 24 ponds!!!!

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EtsxTeam

· #13 · Nov 30, 2006

I hear you. I take the climb also as well as the way down, And have done many of 3-5 hour rides So I hear what you are saying. I have also owned 2 Enduros and Know the Hecklers very well. I say the Etsx is just as capable as they are.

How do you lock a Rp23 I have the 2007 model and you can switch pro-pedal on or off, and have 3 levels of pro-pedal but no lock out like on the old 2004 shock???

alejovila

· #14 · Nov 30, 2006

Finally we are talking about something else, when I said locked I meant off.
But the off position is fine for me, talking about ETSX and all mounatin I was thinking to change my fork for a new Fox Talas 32 that has 3 postion knob with travel settings at 100 - 120 - 140 just by rotating 90 degres the knob, what do you think???

Johnny Hair Boy

· #15 · Nov 30, 2006

I have both the old and new style TALAS forks and I perfer the old one. The ability to dial in perfect ride height is more important than droping the fork for climbs wich I never do.

Ice25gt

· #16 · Nov 30, 2006

My 16.5 ETSX weighed in at 27.5 last week and that's before I added carbon bars. I also just purchased XTR Brakes and levers to replace my LX components, so that will also drop my weight some more when they finally arrive. I think I'll have no prob getting her into the 25 pound range once I get some XTR cranks, swap my front derailleur from LX to XTR, and throw the new XTR pedals on her. I have spent alot on my bike so far but I'd say it was definitely worth it.

rockyuphill

Discussion Starter · #17 · Dec 1, 2006

I met Lesley Tomlinson at Different Bikes for the 2007 Rocky new product intro party last month, and she did say that her personal ETSX was about 25 pounds, but you would expect that for the factory's marathon racer extraordinaire, her bike would have the maximum collection of tweaky lightweight parts for a rider who likely only weighs 120 pounds. :thumbsup:

I decided to balance lightweight versus expense versus reliability and stayed away from carbon or Ti parts in the cockpit and pedals as I'm about 200 pounds. I always worry about the bits that can fail catastrophically in a crash in the backcountry like a seatpost or bars.

To get much below 27.5 pounds you'll likely be paying between $500-$1000/pound of weight savings. I'd hate to compromise on things like tire size and tread profile, or some of the rugged components just to save some weight. It's cheaper and easier to leave a pound or two of stuff out of my Camelback.

Portti

· #18 · Dec 1, 2006

Alexjovila:

I made a spreadsheet to estimate the actual weight of your bike. The weight information has been collected from Weight Weenies (http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings.php). I've tried to use the actual parts you have mentioned in your messages but since a lot of the info on which parts you have on your bike was not available I've had to estimate the weights of many parts. Feel free to complete the list of your parts so that the calculations would become more accurate.

I've tried to upload the calculations as attachments. Based on these calculations the approximate weight of your bike could be just below 28 lbs.

I also did a similar spreadsheet based on the parts of my 2004 ETSX-70 which has Talas RLC, Mavic Crossmax SL, Magura Marta SL, SRAM X.0 etc.. I also added the actual weight of my complete bike to the spreadsheet which is 27.2 lbs.

Overall I think that your bike is far from 25 lbs and like some others have mentioned 25 lbs might be doable but very very expensive and not at all practical.

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Ice25gt

· #19 · Dec 1, 2006

I don't see why people say 25 pounds isnt doable or is very very expensive. My bike will be in that range in a few weeks after my last few upgrades and I'm far from a weight weenie. I use lock on grips, I run tubes, and the only carbon on my bike is the stem and seatpost. Like I said in a previous post, I'm at 26 and change right now, and I still have an lx front der, and crappy raceface evolve cranks. All in all, with what I paid for my bke and all of my upgrades I spent about 4,000. Thats not bad for a light 5 inch trailbike.

Johnny Hair Boy

· #20 · Dec 1, 2006

My 16.5 ETSX when it had cross max wheels with stans conversion marta brakes and carbon anywhere carbon could go wasn't less than 26 pound on an acurate scale.

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