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Man I love my Heckler. My only gripe is its made overseas. It really souldn't matter but buying a top name brand that is not a spec built bike seams unsettling its not made here. I know its all about $ and they build excelent bikes but it still bugs me . Anyone else feel the same?
 

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Man I love my Heckler. My only gripe is its made overseas. It really souldn't matter but buying a top name brand that is not a spec built bike seams unsettling its not made here. I know its all about $ and they build excelent bikes but it still bugs me . Anyone else feel the same?
Nope, but I don't live in the US so I probably don't count. :rolleyes:
 

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You're also paying $400-$500 less than for a US-made frame.

The difference in price may be partially attributed to our labor laws. Spring for a Blur if you want to help keep US welders well-paid.

-rob in NY
 

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Everything is made

Somewhere else. It bugs me a little too, but what can you do? I have an 03 Heckler and am not sure where it was put together, it doesnt matter, it is a great bike. I will just pretend it was made in the U.S.
 

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Im not questioning the quality. It just seams they are entering the same league as say Gaint or Trek and no longer one of the "home brewed few" I dont blame Rob R for doing so as to meet the demand and lower the price but "I care"
 

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Im not questioning the quality. It just seams they are entering the same league as say Gaint or Trek and no longer one of the "home brewed few" I dont blame Rob R for doing so as to meet the demand and lower the price but "I care"
Trek still manage to manufacture their high end bikes in the US. And I'd consider anything in the SC line up to be equivalent to Trek high end bikes.

If you want a US made Santa Cruz - for a few more $$$ take a look at the California made Intense Cycles.
 

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but "I care"
Why?

Does Ford care about you? or GM? or US Steel? - they cheerfully export jobs as quickly as NAFTA, CAFTA or any other fta allows - many "American-made" automobiles (just for example) are made with up to 80% foreign-manufactured parts - is that vehicle "Made in the USA?" - or what about a Toyota or Honda (far superior products to most "US" cars) manufactured in the US? is it a foreign product?

in an age when multinational corporations seek lower production costs accross the globe, usually at the expense of the American worker - the concept of having some sort of "brand US loyalty" seems out of date to me - why should I support GM by "buying American" when they are busy laying off American workers? and why should I not support Honda if it is busy hiring American workers and using mostly American-made parts?

here is an example - I purchased an Evil DOC - after waiting a loooong time for the Evil Sovereign - the DOC was welded in Taiwan (beautiful steel welds btw) - and cost nearly half of the Sovereign (which in addition to a greater cost, was not available for many months after I got my DOC) - the welders of my frame need work too - and they do great work - and once that frame hit our shores, the employees of Evil went to work - they had already designed the frame (go Dave Weigel - keep me dirt jumping on steel!) - marketed the frame, did all the work of ordering production, they distributed the frame etc.etc. - did I betray the American worker? no! I bought from Americans a product which they had made abroad

one could get crazy about this anyway - where did the metal in your frame come from? Russia? South Africa? Brazil? - are you disloyal if the steel in you US frame was made in England?

We live in an age of a Global economy, where competativeness is all for companies - some small high-cost makers (Turner for example) keep all their manufacturing in the US - if that is important to you - get a 6 Pack - it will do whatever you could do on the Heckler - but you'll pay quite a bit for having those tubes welded here in the US of A....

as for Santa Cruz - think about it this way, it's a US based company, who has their higher-end bikes made in the USA - and to keep the costs down on their cheaper frames - they have them welded by some (equally hard-working, expert and in-need-of-jobs) foreign worker -Santa Cruz employees lots of Americans - assembling, shipping, selling, marketing and even (the Syndicate) riding their bikes - so support them, they are as American as the (European-originated and imported here) apple pie....buy the bike you want without guilt - and ride it well....
 

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I gotta give you props on a great troll post.

However, you'll be happy to know that Ellsworth not only builds all their frames in the USA, but they have just moved ALL facets of assembly IN HOUSE! I anticipate their QC to skyrocket, right along with their MSRP.
 

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All good points. Im not saying "im betraying the american worker" Heck I will only buy Toyotas because their quality (most are assembled is the US and Mex now so that could change:) ) Maybe my point is I have been a SC supporter for years. They were this small company up the road that made ripping frames here in the US. They Still do but have grown and expanded and no longer do I feel conected to a company when there suff is outsorced overseas. It would be like Farrari having there 360 made somewere else. Yes it would be as good or better but it just wouldnt be the same to me. But im still going to ride them:)
 

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Trek still manage to manufacture their high end bikes in the US. And I'd consider anything in the SC line up to be equivalent to Trek high end bikes.

If you want a US made Santa Cruz - for a few more $$$ take a look at the California made Intense Cycles.
The high-end (VP line) Santa Cruz ARE made in the US - it has been the lower-cost single-pivots (Heckler & Bullit) that are welded in Taiwan
 

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The bike is built with products from around the world anyway so what difference does it really make? Maybe I just don't care so long as the quality is there. I guess part of it depends on the size of your wallet. There are still other alternatives out there but where I live it seems as though the true custom bikes just don't hold up as well anyway.
 

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Made in the USA

http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120170&stc=1

Made in the USA, doesn't guarantee quality workmanship...just see my pic above........

This frame went through the QUALITY checks of the builder and his supervisors (SC tag that comes on frames) before arriving in my hands............

Two weeks latter and SC haven't responded to requests for a replacement!

If this frame was made in SEAsia, I'd be riding it by now, as my bike.................... :(
 

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Is that cable rub? some gray paint? sorry... pics aren't telling the story.

-r
 

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Is that cable rub? some gray paint? sorry... pics aren't telling the story.

-r
No bud, this is a BRAND NEW frame from SC!

It's been bumped or "whatever" before being baked....and that gray is the raw alloy.

Pic does tell a story, study it a little harder!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I'm curious, did you try the LBS to resolve it for you? I know that the LBS I go to wouldn't have even sold the frame. They would've shipped it back before ever selling it.
 

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being sorted

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I'm curious, did you try the LBS to resolve it for you? I know that the LBS I go to wouldn't have even sold the frame. They would've shipped it back before ever selling it.
Being sorted, but like I said the distributor has yet to get a response from SC.

Regardless, this is proof that made in the usa doesn't stand up to the cred it used to deserve.
 

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One more point

One more point I'd like to make. I'd rather have a frame that was entirely made in the USA if all things were equal. I guess it is a matter of pride is nothing else.
 

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I have one of each

I have two Santa Cruz bikes. I have a Bullit made in the USA and I have a Heckler that has the Taiwan/USA sticker on the seatube. So, the frame was manufactured in Taiwan of US and Foreign materials. Both bikes are awesome. I don't think there is any difference in the quality. In fact, with some other brands I've seen, the quality seems to have improved with foreign manufacturing as in better weld quality.
 
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