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Rectro46

Discussion Starter · Jan 31, 2022

Hi

I had a slip out on the front tire a few days ago, still recovering and put it down to rider experience and front tire slipping out. I run Continental Explorer tires front and back, and am now looking for a good front tire to offer better grip, but fast as possible. The trails im on is hard mud with lose gravel on berms in which was where my front slipped out.

If I can get as light, good grip and fast tire Id be happy.

Thanks,
Dan

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ljsmith

· #2 · Jan 31, 2022

The Continental Explorer looks like a very aggressive tire. They are pretty low end tires though, so the compound might not be the best. And being you need 26" tires, there aren't a lot of high end options. But in any case , better gripping tires are not going to be fast at all, like I suspect the Explorers are probably really slow.

But based on the fact that these berms have loose gravel, I don't really think this is a tire issue but more of a technique issue. If you have bad technique or are just riding too fast you are going to wash out on loose gravel no matter what tires you have.

Emax

· #3 · Jan 31, 2022

I think you kind of have to figure out what works for your trails... I like using Kenda Nevelgal 2.35 up front, because they work around where I live, but my experience may not be applicable to your trails. If you think that the tire slid because the side knobs weren't aggressive enough - then maybe that's a solution, if it's because the tire was packed with mud - then you may look into a tire that sheds mud better.

JoePAz

· #4 · Jan 31, 2022

I see this every so often where someone crashes and they blame the tire for slipping out. Chances are high that is not the tire, but rider error that caused the crash and changing out the tire will not solve the issue. Now it could be the tire was old and worn down or the tire was simply crap, but most likely that is not the case. I have crashed with great tires and not so sticky tires. I have NOT crashed with great tires and crappy tires. And I have felt when tires are working well and not so well. In the end crashing or not comes down to my skills and usually exceeding my skill limit rather than the tire limit. So I don't blame the tire if and when I crash.

Rectro46

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jan 31, 2022 (Edited)

JoePAz said:
I see this every so often where someone crashes and they blame the tire for slipping out. Chances are high that is not the tire, but rider error that caused the crash and changing out the tire will not solve the issue. Now it could be the tire was old and worn down or the tire was simply crap, but most likely that is not the case. I have crashed with great tires and not so sticky tires. I have NOT crashed with great tires and crappy tires. And I have felt when tires are working well and not so well. In the end crashing or not comes down to my skills and usually exceeding my skill limit rather than the tire limit. So I don't blame the tire if and when I crash.

Totaly agree. Im not experienced on trails, and as soon as I saw the footage which I will upload I said its my fault, but Im not experienced to know for sure so thought at least eliminate what I can.

Thanks.

JoePAz

· #6 · Jan 31, 2022

That crash had zero to do with grip. You have tons of grip. More grip that you could handle in fact. You turned your bars way too much went down. You may have gone a bit wide on the turn, but you could have ridden it out so easily. You turned the bars sharply and because the front tire stuck you went down.

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Rectro46

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jan 31, 2022

JoePAz said:
That crash had zero to do with grip. You have tons of grip. More grip that you could handle in fact. You turned your bars way too much went down. You may have gone a bit wide on the turn, but you could have ridden it out so easily. You turned the bars sharply and because the front tire stuck you went down.

Thank you that was my exact conclusion, Im learning.

Dan

eshew

· #8 · Jan 31, 2022 (Edited)

You went off trail, the tire slipped on the top of the berm where the ground is loose & peaked. The tire was on a loose narrow patch of dirt, lost traction and caused it to slip, which caused you to lose balance & fall into the bars & turn causing you to meet the ground.

Not saying those explorers are trash but I wouldn't ride them. Get a Maxxis DHF 3c and call it good. Just because a tire "looks" like it has a lot of traction doesn't mean it actually does. A good sticky front tire should be mandatory for any bike seeing trail time. Good insurance against all sorts of mishaps. Case in point would be lets say the Schwalbe Hans Dampf. Looks like it has all the traction you'd ever need, but ridden in anger I haven't been impressed. Compared to a 3C compound DHF they are nervous and will absolutely underperform in all situations.

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ungod

· #9 · Feb 1, 2022

eshew said:
You went off trail, the tire slipped on the top of the berm where the ground is loose & peaked. The tire was on a loose narrow patch of dirt, lost traction and caused it to slip, which caused you to lose balance & fall into the bars & turn causing you to meet the ground.

Not saying those explorers are trash but I wouldn't ride them. Get a Maxxis DHF 3c and call it good. Just because a tire "looks" like it has a lot of traction doesn't mean it actually does. A good sticky front tire should be mandatory for any bike seeing trail time. Good insurance against all sorts of mishaps. Case in point would be lets say the Schwalbe Hans Dampf. Looks like it has all the traction you'd ever need, but ridden in anger I haven't been impressed. Compared to a 3C compound DHF they are nervous and will absolutely underperform in all situations.

Maxxis Minion DHF MTB Tire - 3C - EXO - TR | Wiggle

Buy your Maxxis Minion DHF MTB Tire - 3C - EXO - TR from our Tyres range at Wiggle. $63.00. Free delivery available.

www.wiggle.com

I agree with your analysis but i think the DHF is probably the absolute worst tire you can put a beginner on, because it has a completely dead zone 3/4 of the way over. Experienced riders know how to deal with it, but a beginner trail rider won't.

I would recommend a DHR2 on both front and rear (ignore the "front" and "rear" tire labels, people run them as either). It has great braking, great cornering, and is fairly consistent at all lean angles.

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eshew

· #10 · Feb 1, 2022

I'll get behind that statement. Sorry been riding the dhf up front for so long it's something I don't even think about it. DHRII is fantastic as well.

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DeeCount

· #11 · Feb 1, 2022

ungod said:
I would recommend a DHR2 on both front and rear (ignore the "front" and "rear" tire labels, people run them as either). It has great braking, great cornering, and is fairly consistent at all lean angles.

I second the motion 😜
The DHRII is no where near as slow or draggy on the front as I was expecting it to be.
I would also consider an Ardent Race or Ardent on the rear for less rolling resistance.
Currently running 26x2.4 DHRII 3C on front and 26x2.2 Ardent Race 3C rear and it's the best trail combo I've had on that bike yet. 👍

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Rectro46

Discussion Starter · #12 · Feb 1, 2022

DeeCount said:
I second the motion 😜
The DHRII is no where near as slow or draggy on the front as I was expecting it to be.
I would also consider an Ardent Race or Ardent on the rear for less rolling resistance.
Currently running 26x2.4 DHRII 3C on front and 26x2.2 Ardent Race 3C rear and it's the best trail combo I've had on that bike yet. 👍

Thank you. I will go with that combo. It does seem from others the DHF has this zone of uncertainty as your learning, after an accident I don't want that, I need to build my confidence up. I have got myself some light armor as well now, the Sixsixone Evo range.

Thanks everyone for your comments and help.

Daniel

eshew

· #13 · Feb 1, 2022

Do make sure to get a 3C compound, makes an significant difference when encountering wet rocks & roots. Much better than the standard dual compound in slippery conditions. 3c is usually a little more expensive but it's a small price to pay considering.

Rectro46

Discussion Starter · #14 · Feb 1, 2022

eshew said:
Do make sure to get a 3C compound, makes an significant difference when encountering wet rocks & roots. Much better than the standard dual compound in slippery conditions. 3c is usually a little more expensive but it's a small price to pay considering.

2.4 OR 2.3? Im using these rims. Flow Rim

Thanks,
Dan

eshew

· #15 · Feb 1, 2022

With a 22.3 internal width rim I'd shoot for 2.3

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DeeCount

· #16 · Feb 1, 2022

^^This^^
You could get away with 2.4 on a 22.3mm rim but I would think you'd have a better profile with the 2.3 👍
Way back when I ran Panaracer FR 2.4's on a 17mm rim and they worked great.

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Danhikeski

· #17 · May 13, 2022

I run a 26 x 2.4” dhr ii front and rear on my surly 1x1 and am very happy with them. I was worried like others that the dhr wouldn’t work and be slow, but no issues for me.

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