is the offering a enduro bike? I test ride the following recently and found its suspension to be the same as Pivot mach 5.7.Ya. Seat tube angle. If your trails aren't steep or chunky you will be fine on a following. If you ride anything kinda steep or go to bike parks or anything like that the Offering is a much better option.
Thanks for the explanationYou need suspension to be soft off the top and firm at the bottom, so that it absorbs small bumps and supports you on bigger hits. It's all about balance. The leverage ratio of evil bike frames are progressive, the spring rate of an air spring is also progressive so the net outcome is more progressive than needed. The extra support might be nice for really big hits, but at the cost of traction (compliance). Matching a linear spring, aka a coil shock, to the progressive frame provides a good balance. In addition to that air springs have additional seals that create stiction (notchy feeling suspension), so a coil spring will move more easily both off the top and towards the end of the stroke. Imagine you're blasting through a rock garden with a g-out turn at the bottom, you air spring might be packed down and basically not moving by the time you get to the turn, so you'll loose traction. A coil spring will remain active deep in the stroke and provide supple traction through the g-out turn. I'd 100% recommend a coil shock on any progressive leverage rate bike. You don't need to buy the crazy pricey Push shock. But it is a good idea to have your shock tuned for your weight, bike, riding style and terrain. I have a very inexpensive DH shock (RS kage) on my wreckoning that was tuned by Diaz Suspension Designs. It only cost me $350 total and it is absolutely amazing, the stock air shock feels like a harsh wooden damper by comparison. On my new bike I have the new Marzocchi Bomber CR ($250, it's old DH tech with modern metric sizes) and had Craig at avalanche tune it ($300). It's even better than the one on my wreck and i bet very close to the 11-6 in performance (they share the same size piston and porting design). The advantage of the 11-6 is there are two independent circuits, so you can have two setups in one, but I don't think it's necessary or worth the cost.
Putting in my 2 cents. I have a Push on the Offering. It feels great over small bumps and chatter. It still pedals very well, even with the "downhill" settings. It's also still offers plenty of support to push off of when needed. I've never had a harsh bottom out either. Besides the added weight, there's no reason for me to go back to an air shock on it. It would be a different case if the frame was linear.How well does the push coil shock perform on evil bike?
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Check out the links I posted earlier. They're an analysis of the following and the Mach 5.5, couldnt find the offering and Mach 5.7, but I think they're similar. The Mach 5.5 has a leverage delta of 0.5 the following is 0.65 and the wreckoning is 0.8. By definition an LR delta of <0.5 is linear, 0.5-1.0 is progressive and >1.0 is super progressive.Why do you think evil is progressive and dwlink linear?
I can't differentiate between the two suspension.
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This is what I'm wondering..... I'm on a FMB and it's generally good for what I ride, but at times the travel does feel undergunned...... I have a bigger bike for bike parks (which I rarely ride nowadays) but for more trail focused riding I'm wondering if the upgrade to an offering is worth it..... :-SYa. Seat tube angle. If your trails aren't steep or chunky you will be fine on a following. If you ride anything kinda steep or go to bike parks or anything like that the Offering is a much better option.
I've had coils on both a Turner RFX and 5spot. It really depends on the iteration of the DW-link being licensed into the design. Not sure about Pivot but it was the leverage rate on the Ibis HD3 that PUSH couldn't get their 11-6 to play nice. And then the HD4 and Ripmo.[What that means is the dw bikes are probably a little better at pedaling efficiently, but can not accommodate a coil shock. The delta link bikes have a very unique forces curve where they feel efficient at sag, plush in the middle and ramp up for the last 1/3 of travel.
Maybe so, I'm not sure exactly what Push does with the valving but I do know that both had a very light compression tune. But yeah, generally dW-link bikes are designed around the progressive upramp of an air shock. Wanting to run a coil is one reason I went with an Offering rather than a Ripmo on my next bike.Should have said DW bikes can not easily accommodate coils. I'm sure yours were very progressively tuned, which is hard to find off the self.
I have. My Offering feels better on the DH. The Ripmo climbs a bit better. I'm also weirdly between sizes on the Ripmo. And with a long inseam, the ST extension is stupid long on a medium.Have you spent time on both the Ripmo and Offering?