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Lindsay
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HelloO~*

I currently own a 2003 enduro pro w/ the head angle set on 69.5. I was wondering if I can install a Marzocchi Junior T 170mm travel fork which equates to 6.7" of travel? If it's too offensive, can I consider installing a Z150 fork? Please pardon my ignorance...

Also, I swear I saw an enduro on ebay with the seller advertising a 6" rear travel shock! But my boyfriend say's i'm adorable err, cute, err nuts. Any info on 6" travel rear shocks?

Thank You,

Monica
 

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Once_Upon_A_Time, (Ha! It sounds like I'm making this up...)

Anyhoo, I may be drunk again but I beleive that Specialized will void your warrantee if you install any fork with over 125mm travel on an 02 - 04 Enduro. Who listens to warantees? I I voided my warrantee when I switched out the original Fox Talas for a Z1 FR SL (130mm travel). This move was almost a mistake because the Z1 axel to crown hieght, (518mm) is taller than the original spec Talas (505mm). The difference of 13mm provided a lot more front wheel lift on steep climbs as compared to the original fork. I was able to correct this by removing all but a single 1/4" spacer between my stem & head set. This seems to keep the front wheel planted as well as with the original fork. I am running my 04 Enduro in the steep 70.5 head angle.

I think that if you install a Jr. T (558mm) it will sacken your head angle way too much. The Z150, (538mm) wouldn't be slackened as much, but still, a bit too much. I'm not sure how much climbing you do but this would definatly make it a challenge to keep that front wheel planted on climbs. However, the ECC on a Z150 SL will help remedy this but it will have to be used on most steep climbs. Either one of these forks, especially the Jr. T will slow your steering and give a "chopper" feeling. You might regret this if you ride a lot of tight single track w/ switchbacks.

You may be able to compensate & get this to work as some Enduro owners on this forum have installed a longer rear shock. (see picture stolen from another thread. Thanks cbchess) Enduro's typically run a Fox Float with 7.625 i2i shock with a 2" stroke. (I'm not sure on the exact length. I'm definatly drunk now) These folks have flipped the linkage to the slack 69.5 mode and installed a 7.875 i2i shock with a 2.25 inch stroke thus giving them a bit more BB height, a bit more travel with close to the same geometry. One may be able to compensate for a longer fork, like a Z150 SL, by doing this and leaving it in the 70.5 head angle. However, I have no idea how this would ride or handle. Your bike would be a 6" travel 03 Enduro jacked up like a cat in heat. It could be really good or it could really suck. I'd be really interested in hearing from anyone who has done this. I think that if someone is going to throw down that much cash on a new fork & shock, they might be better off just getting a new bike.

If you want more travel because you go BIG all the time, a Big Hit or Demo would be a good solution. I think it would be dangerous to do this on a Enduro with a long fork. (A head tube separating from the rest of the bike would ruin your day really fast) If you want more travel for travels sake, the 05 Enduro's are sweet rides with 6" of travel both front and back.

Cheers!

Tequila!
 

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Thanks for such a detailed answer..

I'm leaning more towards a rear shock of 7.875 i2i shock with a 2.25 inch stroke which if I understand correctly will give me 6" of travel in the rear and possibly a Z150 fork up front which will offer a balanced ride? My bike is a handme down, so I honestly would not mind spending a few $'s to enhance my riding time. Well I haven't really priced these items out, so...I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a sale like at Macy's. =)

All I know is there is a world of difference between my enduro and my boyfriends bike. How the hell do I chase down a lunatic when my bike makes funny noises when I hit something! I'm like holding on to dear life here...

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No worries... glad to help.

I considered this as one of my options before I bought my 04 Enduro Expert. I had a line on a 03 Enduro frame and thought about building it up the way you are considering.

One my ride today, (amazing what runs through your head at times) I was thinking that if you are fairly petite, the longer fork/increased leverage on the head tube may not be such big deal. I chose not to do it because I,m 6'-0" & 180 lbs "geared up".

You can probably pick up a 04 Z150 for really cheap soon. JensonUSA currently has them on sale for $449. A new 04 Fox Vanilla 7.875 shock was about $300 when I looked into it. You will be getting Pro-Pedal dampening if you buy a Fox 04 which would give you less "bob" than the 03 Fox Floats. If you are looking for a "Macy's" type sale, there are alot of used 7.825 shocks on Pink Bike & Ebay for about $150.

If you decide to modify your Enduro like this, please let me know how it works for you. I'd be very interested in hearing about it & see it too.

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Definitely do it!...

The Enduros have a very low bottom bracket. I put a 7.875x2.25 Romic on my '03 medium Pro, and in the 'slack' link setting, it puts the BB at about 13 5/8", much better for pedal clearance on techy CO trails. I also have an '03 Z1 up front, and having a taller fork is great for me, but I almost got a Z150 from mtnhighcyclery.com, but didn't want to fork out the cash. I hope to get one next spring!

One thing though, I had to make a spacer under the removeable spring plate on the Romic, to clear the crossmember on the swing link (silver thing in pic).

All that said, the '05 SX trail already is set up like this, though I'm sure that it won't be cheap :rolleyes:

Good luck, and post pics of any upgrades!!
 

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I'm lost!

Ughh.. A shop employee has persuaded me not to go w/ my intended upgrades. They said, my alterations will radically change the geometry of my bike and make it unsuitable for it's intended use. Also, romic may possibly have a higher failure rates compared to fox or five element?

Does he understand where I'm coming from here? I'm constantly bottoming out my rear shock, why can't I upgrade to a longer travel shock???

Slack, steep, chopper...ugh. I just want to go out and ride!

Forget this.
 

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Once_Upon_A_Time said:
Ughh.. A shop employee has persuaded me not to go w/ my intended upgrades. They said, my alterations will radically change the geometry of my bike and make it unsuitable for it's intended use. Also, romic may possibly have a higher failure rates compared to fox or five element?

Does he understand where I'm coming from here? I'm constantly bottoming out my rear shock, why can't I upgrade to a longer travel shock???

Slack, steep, chopper...ugh. I just want to go out and ride!

Forget this.
Relax.

There's a lot of possible solutions for your problem/problems. First thing's first though, you need to give more information. What are you trying to achieve here? Are you just trying to keep from bottoming or do you want more travel? What type of riding do you do? On your profile it says freeriding, can you define that a bit more? Does that mean pure downhill shuttle runs or "all mountain" type stuff. What is your riding weight (with all your gear) and what pressure do you run your shock and fork at? BTW, what is your current fork? Give as much info as you can please. If you run a coil shock, that would give the Enduro a more linear feel and actually cause it to bottom out more.
 

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Good News from BETD!!!

I e-mailed them asking about the new Enduro linkage and here's what he said...

"Yes we now have that link (made). It will give you 5.25" and 6" of travel.
I have them in Red, Blue, Silver, Black or Gold. the price is £100 plus
postage.

Thanks rob"

I emailed them asking for more specifics and pictures. I'll post a reply as soon as he does, so please, do not pester them with too many e-mails :D
 

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Heh Heh Heh! Yeah, It can be done! I am running a Fox Vanilla RC w/a 5th Element 650 Lb spring and a custom machined bottom plate to clear the cross member on my purty red S-works Enduro! I am also running a 130 mm Manitou Sherman Firefly w/a heavier spring for bouncy days and a stf Ti spring for cruising days. I have my link flipped to the 69.5 side and she sits a touch higher. W/the preload set correctly on the Fox I feel pretty comfortable. I get right at 6" rear travel and do not have a bottoming problem. But I don't get 50 feet of air at warp speed either. I've been pleased w/the changes and if a warrantee ever becomes an issue, I'll throw on my old Fox Float. I'll try to load a pic in here but may not succeed because I am a computer moron! Feel free to ask questions. I have been on an Enduro since they came out and was on FSR's before that.
 

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That does it!!!

I've decided my hand me down is perfect the way it is. :rolleyes: Has anyone invented a clipless type device for handlebar application? Imagine, instead of bouncing all over the place I could actually stay in place and just hold on to dear life. seriously, I've just gotten my work bonus. I need to spend it soon.
 

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Once_Upon_A_Time said:
Ughh.. A shop employee has persuaded me not to go w/ my intended upgrades. They said, my alterations will radically change the geometry of my bike and make it unsuitable for it's intended use. Also, romic may possibly have a higher failure rates compared to fox or five element?

Does he understand where I'm coming from here? I'm constantly bottoming out my rear shock, why can't I upgrade to a longer travel shock???

Slack, steep, chopper...ugh. I just want to go out and ride!

Forget this.
if you're bottoming out an air shock you DEFINITELY need to increase the pressure. I have a very hard time bottoming out my rear shock. 4-5" of travel should be plenty unless you're like downhilling or something....
 

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Heh Heh Heh! Yeah, It can be done! I am running a Fox Vanilla RC w/a 5th Element 650 Lb spring and a custom machined bottom plate to clear the cross member on my purty red S-works Enduro! I am also running a 130 mm Manitou Sherman Firefly w/a heavier spring for bouncy days and a stf Ti spring for cruising days. I have my link flipped to the 69.5 side and she sits a touch higher. W/the preload set correctly on the Fox I feel pretty comfortable. I get right at 6" rear travel and do not have a bottoming problem. But I don't get 50 feet of air at warp speed either. I've been pleased w/the changes and if a warrantee ever becomes an issue, I'll throw on my old Fox Float. I'll try to load a pic in here but may not succeed because I am a computer moron! Feel free to ask questions. I have been on an Enduro since they came out and was on FSR's before that.
When you lower the seat post does it hit the remote reservoir? What i2i and stroke shock did you use and how hig is the BB?
 

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I e-mailed them asking about the new Enduro linkage and here's what he said...

"Yes we now have that link (made). It will give you 5.25" and 6" of travel.
I have them in Red, Blue, Silver, Black or Gold. the price is £100 plus
postage.

Thanks rob"

I emailed them asking for more specifics and pictures. I'll post a reply as soon as he does, so please, do not pester them with too many e-mails :D
I know this is an old post but I've been looking for info on this link. I've emailed BETD and have yet to receive a reply.
 

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Once_Upon_A_Time said:
HelloO~*

I currently own a 2003 enduro pro w/ the head angle set on 69.5. I was wondering if I can install a Marzocchi Junior T 170mm travel fork which equates to 6.7" of travel? If it's too offensive, can I consider installing a Z150 fork? Please pardon my ignorance...

Also, I swear I saw an enduro on ebay with the seller advertising a 6" rear travel shock! But my boyfriend say's i'm adorable err, cute, err nuts. Any info on 6" travel rear shocks?

Thank You,

Monica
i've seen people put on super T's on enduros but it doesn't look too promising. If you really want you can put a z150 in the front but then you should prolly flip your flipflop link into the 70.5 HA. If you are a heavy rider doing a lot of big drops, i wouldn't recommend it.
 

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PickledFish said:
I e-mailed them asking about the new Enduro linkage and here's what he said...

"Yes we now have that link (made). It will give you 5.25" and 6" of travel.
I have them in Red, Blue, Silver, Black or Gold. the price is £100 plus
postage.

Thanks rob"

I emailed them asking for more specifics and pictures. I'll post a reply as soon as he does, so please, do not pester them with too many e-mails :D
I went ahead and ordered the Enduro BETD link and after one ride have came to the conclusion that, for me at least, it wasn't an upgrade. Before I go any further I have to let everyone know that I am around 265 with gear. This means that I already had to run pretty high air pressure in my rear shock with the stock link. Add to this the need of even more air pressure to overcome the increased leverage of the BETD link and you get a not so friendly mix for those that are "mass challenged" like myself.

The link delivers as advertised in regards to the increased travel claims but like I stated above it's not for heavy riders. In my case I had to pretty much increase the pressure to almost 285-290psi (Fox Floats are rated at 300psi max). With all this increased pressure the rebound became worthless to me and I found myself almost getting thrown off the bike a couple of times on downhill sections that I've been able to ride through prior to the install. If i were able to run lower air pressures i'm sure that i would have nto had any problems but with the rebound setting maxed out as it was there just wasn't any rebound damping available for me.

This is just my experience and I'm positive lighter riders will have a much better experience than I did.

Anyone interested in a "once ridden" link?
 
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