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I rode Walker last night, and lo and behold, it's been all filled up with waterbars. Specifically, the trail above the hike a bike section has so many waterbars at times I was hitting them every other second.

From the looks of it they're planning on adding many, many more. Anyone know if the county is planning on waterbars every 30 feet for all their trails?
 

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Same at Hall

That's exactly my feeling about Hall. I used to love turning the corner at the top of the loop and bombing down to the Antelope trail. Now there are so many waterbars (a.k.a. speedbumps) that it's no longer fun. I'll still ride it for the challenge of the rock garden. Sucks that they've done the same to Walker.
 

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kitchenware said:
I think the bars at Hall are great, aside from maybe 1 of them and the fact that half of them weren't needed.
In general, the more trail features the better. Every 30 feet is overkill. Walkers are pretty fresh, I imagine they'll get beat down and wear away some and it'll be better.

Speaking of Walker, the initial decent counter-clockwise to the creek is getting good. I used to think of it as a boring road descent, but it's got bigger embedded rocks and drops and such that it's really fun now.
 

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Water bars ...

The trail sterilizers put them in so the runners can run year round without getting muddy. 95 % of the bars installed in the simple method by digging a rut transverse to the trail only accelerate water off the trail which ='s increased erosion. I have ridden some really steep lose trails that the waterbar-maids have not adulterated and it is clear that after a season they are filled up, and there is just that much more soil/rocks lost from the trails.

I know some riders who go en masse with little rock hammers and simply bust the bars down. For all the effort to create them it only takes a few wacks to eliminate the scar. It seema that this actually is better for the trails than leaving them in place. Of course if they provide good launch pads they generally modify them to reduce erosion acceleration and provide better launch pads so it is a overall better for terra firma. JCOS, TOPS et al seem to miss Medicinewheels knowledge that rocks hold the trail together and if there truely is an erosion problem installation of rocks which are a black to ride over/launch off can eliminate erosion, provide more fun for all. It is a bit more work than simply diggin a friggin cross trail trench but trenches are just an idiots by product for those who failed trail maintenence 101.

My 2 cents...
If someone is sterilizing and screwing up the trails we owe it to the trail to remedy the transgression.

Peace
 

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Yeah, I was a little disappointed at Hall the other day

Hopefully I can take kw's approach and consider it a new challenge. I just liked the smooth, flowing characteristics of the loop sooo much that I felt cheated. Fumed on the couch for an hour thinking of how easy it would be to get some tools up there. I know I shouldn't do that, it'll erode.

They've done this at Hall many times before, though perhaps not on this scale, but they always erode and smooth out.
 
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