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Why would I purchase a pair of ENVE 50 laced up with DT 180 for XC Racing @ 1289 grams and $3300 when I can get a pair of Stan's Valor @ 1230 grams for $1900? Am I missing something?
 

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Just that ENVE are overpriced.

The hubs on the stans aren't as nice, but for the extra cash we aren't pros here.

In a few minutes someone's gonna pop up on here and tell you their hero ENVE story of how the jumped a cliff, weren't even using tires that day and the rim came away unscathed.

And that's why you need to pay 3k. I have a bridge I can sell you too.

ENVE will need to start getting realistic now that many carbon wheel brands are out along with Chinese companies such as Light Bicycle selling direct at cheap prices for decent rims.

There is a sucker born each day....
 

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Why not?

Why do need a "fancy" mountain bike when a Walmart special will do?

Why spend $1900 on wheels period?

Because it's a hobby and we all spend crazy stupid money on it.

There is no justification.

But, unless the Stans rims are made in the USA it's not a true apples to apples comparision. Not to mention DT 180 Hubs are $$$.
 

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Why not?

Why do need a "fancy" mountain bike when a Walmart special will do?

Why spend $1900 on wheels period?

Because it's a hobby and we all spend crazy stupid money on it.

There is no justification.

But, unless the Stans rims are made in the USA it's not a true apples to apples comparision. Not to mention DT 180 Hubs are $$$.
So from you point of view, Stan's is the walmart bike and ENVE is the specialized? They are going to fall apart on me?




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To be fair, we aren't comparing Chinese carbon rims vs. ENVEs. We are comparing ENVEs closest competitor in terms of volume.


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Not at all. I own/run both Stans and Enve wheels. I think they are both great products.

I said that to illustrate the fact that if you mentioned to anyone outside of the biking community that you were going to buy "bicycle wheels" for $1900 they would think you are nuts.
 

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From Bike Radar:

"NoTubes readily admits that there are stiffer carbon wheels on the market. The design goal for the Valor was to balance weight and stiffness in an XC-oriented package."

I don't think you'll find anyone that says the same about Enve's in terms of stiffness.

Like I said, not really apples to apples.
 

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Not at all. I own/run both Stans and Enve wheels. I think they are both great products.

I said that to illustrate the fact that if you mentioned to anyone outside of the biking community that you were going to buy "bicycle wheels" for $1900 they would think you are nuts.
Fair point, however, my post wasn't necessarily directed towards people looking for bargains. We all know spending $1900 for rims is nuts. But there are advantages to carbon rims and some people who race consider them worth it. My point being, of those subset of racers who see the advantage, why would anyone give ENVE their business at 2x the price? (I understand hubs, but they shouldn't be that different in price).


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To be clear, I'm not arguing for one versus the other.

I'm not a 140lb XC racer, so I value stiffness over weight and have no business riding a 1230g wheelset even on a road bike.
 

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People at work think I'm nuts for spending $40 on a saddle. They tell me about their awesome wally world bike for $80 on sale and it came with a big cushy saddle.

I feel so dumb after this.

I don't tell non-bike people what I really spend on my bikes. They don't get it.

But really, we are nuts.
 

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I don't have an " Enve saved me from a burning building story" but, they did replace a 4-5 year old wheel that I bought second hand no questions asked with a brand spankin' new one. So maybe that counts for something?
 

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Meh. The same can be said about any disposable income hobby. I used to ski, and even I think skiing is silly expensive. Golf? Those carbon fiber clubs are going to increase your game the same amount a carbon frame will increase my trail speed: .1 percent
How about snowmobiles/dirtbikes? Know anyone into boating?

With that said, Enve's are a premium product that will treat you like an Amex Black card. Brake rim? Call 'em up and they'll happily take care of you. With that said, it is well past the inflection point on the value curve. A set of Derby's and Hopes will get you most of what you're looking for at half the cost.
 

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With that said, Enve's are a premium product that will treat you like an Amex Black card. Brake rim? Call 'em up and they'll happily take care of you. With that said, it is well past the inflection point on the value curve. A set of Derby's and Hopes will get you most of what you're looking for at half the cost.
Thanks car_nut, this was exactly the point of my post. If the difference is stiffer rim, hub choices, and great customer service then it's a judgment call on whether those features are worth the premium. I just wanted to quantify the differences so buyers could make an educated decision.


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I sell a number of these companies wheels. I like dealing with both.



ENVE now has multiple carbon rims to choose from, and a choice of 3 hubs. Makes the Valor price difference not a big advantage.
 

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Interesting comments all round, I am interested in the Stans for the ride quality they are said to give over a super stiff carbon wheelset like Enve. Will wait and see how they go once they are available and decide from there if they are worth going for over an aluminium wheelset. Been running Stans Crest as a XC wheelset on my 26er and just about to buy a 429C as a race bike. The Crest is quite flexy in cornering but I like the sound of the way the Valor's give.

Been racing XC on and off for 26 years so have seen my fair share of trends and always wait to see what works before jumping in. Carbon wheels have been around for ages and I have waited out this one too.

Good topic as wheels are one of the considerations I have been making in regards to the new bike.
 

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Interesting comments all round, I am interested in the Stans for the ride quality they are said to give over a super stiff carbon wheelset like Enve. Will wait and see how they go once they are available and decide from there if they are worth going for over an aluminium wheelset. Been running Stans Crest as a XC wheelset on my 26er and just about to buy a 429C as a race bike. The Crest is quite flexy in cornering but I like the sound of the way the Valor's give.

Been racing XC on and off for 26 years so have seen my fair share of trends and always wait to see what works before jumping in. Carbon wheels have been around for ages and I have waited out this one too.

Good topic as wheels are one of the considerations I have been making in regards to the new bike.
Give in wheels vs harshness is more important on a hardtail. FS bikes have a rear suspension for that and can make more use of a stiff wheel.
 

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Update: Stan's website now says the 29er Valor set are 1320g vs. previous mentioned 1230g. Given this is Stan's first go at carbon wheels, I am a bit hesitant seeing that release date has been pushed out and weight has been increasing. Makes me wonder what they are finding out in the testing phase.

Also found out that ENVE DT hub options are center lock, so you'll need an adapter for your 6 bolt rotors. I don't think ENVE come taped w/ valve stems either (minor gripe, but still a difference).
 
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