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Fo' Bidniz in da haus
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I am sold on the fact that ENO are a great choice for cranks with both very appealing in my book...I really like the Deus I have had on the XC bike.

Is there an absolute objective difference between the 2 that makes one a clearly better SS crank? Of course if I go Atlas, I will use a SS specific ring.

Any input appreciated.

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time tested technology (also known as "old school") on the ENOs vs. the newest tech on the Atlas.
i know lots and lots of folks who can tell you the ENOs are a great design and that they hold up really well. i personally haven't gone back to square taper BBs since the advent of the hollow splined design. i will say this: my Shizmano DA hollow splined BBs have held up really well, and i like the easy crank removal for maintanance, etc. my Truvative hollow splined BB hasn't been a set and forget system. i have used it since last summer in conjuncion with a set of 180mm Stylo cranks and have had it come loose and it can be difficult to keep tight without binding the bearings. i am speccing my new SS with the XT crank/outboard BB setup, also 180mm. my road bike has the new DA 10 speed crank/outboard BB setup and it has been incredible. i must say that they feel really good at all times. in fact, i don't think about them when riding, which is really the best compliment of all.
the Atlas will use the best of newer technology (easily removable, very stiff and large bearings, light weight) without the drawbacks of the splined system (smaller bearings, shorter life).
i would lean towards the Atlas.
square tapers are proven, but i don't like the idea that you can develop play between the "4 sided" nature of the spindle and the crank fitting. they can be more difficult to remove, and you need to remember to put them on in the same positition they were in to avoid rounding.
of course (to confuse matters even more), if i were to go with square taper, ENO would be my choice, hands down.
oh, you're welcome for the extra confusion, lol. :p
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OneGearGuy said:
time tested technology (also known as "old school") on the ENOs vs. the newest tech on the Atlas.
i know lots and lots of folks who can tell you the ENOs are a great design and that they hold up really well. i personally haven't gone back to square taper BBs since the advent of the hollow splined design. i will say this: my Shizmano DA hollow splined BBs have held up really well, and i like the easy crank removal for maintanance, etc. my Truvative hollow splined BB hasn't been a set and forget system. i have used it since last summer in conjuncion with a set of 180mm Stylo cranks and have had it come loose and it can be difficult to keep tight without binding the bearings. i am speccing my new SS with the XT crank/outboard BB setup, also 180mm. my road bike has the new DA 10 speed crank/outboard BB setup and it has been incredible. i must say that they feel really good at all times. in fact, i don't think about them when riding, which is really the best compliment of all.
the Atlas will use the best of newer technology (easily removable, very stiff and large bearings, light weight) without the drawbacks of the splined system (smaller bearings, shorter life).
i would lean towards the Atlas.
square tapers are proven, but i don't like the idea that you can develop play between the "4 sided" nature of the spindle and the crank fitting. they can be more difficult to remove, and you need to remember to put them on in the same positition they were in to avoid rounding.
of course (to confuse matters even more), if i were to go with square taper, ENO would be my choice, hands down.
oh, you're welcome for the extra confusion, lol. :p
OGG
thanks for that input. keep in mind that I would get confused easily and even if you said "yes", I would have to scratch my head so dont feel bad :)

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FoShizzle said:
I am sold on the fact that ENO are a great choice for cranks with both very appealing in my book...I really like the Deus I have had on the XC bike.

Is there an absolute objective difference between the 2 that makes one a clearly better SS crank? Of course if I go Atlas, I will use a SS specific ring.

Any input appreciated.

Cheers
hey eric, this is kam, i sold you a a2z disc adapter and magura rotors, or sumthin;, i can;t remember exactly what it was :rolleyes:

anyways, i've ran the dues xc and the eno on my ss bikes. though the dues was stiff as crap, i am running the eno on my ride right now and am not even thinking of switching anytime soon. the eno is just as stiff in my opinion. something like the atlas crank will probably be evne stiffer, but come with a weight penatly. the atlas will also cost abit more.

the eno.....absolute jewels right out of the box (the mirror finish will dull after a few rides though). the machining and polishing are top notch. i have quite a few miles on my eno cranks (about 800 atleast) and the ring is showing very little wear. when time comes to replace the ring, i can get one thru white ind for about $45 or so, or boone at the tune of about $100.

the eno cranks are about 520g (my set is 175mm/32T). pair it up with a light weight jis bb and you'll have one reliable, stiff and light set of cranks. i am running a race face taperlock steel bb, but just bought a steel am classic bb for about $60 from oddsandendos.com. the am classic bb looks simple and easy to service and it also has a very cleaver grease injection system. i can post the weight later.

mtbr member dee eight used to sell ti jis bb's for a great price. all you'd have to do is get a pair of bearings (can you say phil wood) and you're ready to roll.

as for the rounding of the jis interface, i haven't seen this happen on mtbr, EVER. i think, that if you torque the crank bolts properly, you should not have a problem.

i will post some ti porn with eno spice later. i'm just about to rinse my bike off. my wife brushed up against the bike and she was wearing white pants!!! :eek:
 

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Kam said:
hey eric, this is kam, i sold you a a2z disc adapter and magura rotors, or sumthin;, i can;t remember exactly what it was :rolleyes:

anyways, i've ran the dues xc and the eno on my ss bikes. though the dues was stiff as crap, i am running the eno on my ride right now and am not even thinking of switching anytime soon. the eno is just as stiff in my opinion. something like the atlas crank will probably be evne stiffer, but come with a weight penatly. the atlas will also cost abit more.

the eno.....absolute jewels right out of the box (the mirror finish will dull after a few rides though). the machining and polishing are top notch. i have quite a few miles on my eno cranks (about 800 atleast) and the ring is showing very little wear. when time comes to replace the ring, i can get one thru white ind for about $45 or so, or boone at the tune of about $100.

the eno cranks are about 520g (my set is 175mm/32T). pair it up with a light weight jis bb and you'll have one reliable, stiff and light set of cranks. i am running a race face taperlock steel bb, but just bought a steel am classic bb for about $60 from oddsandendos.com. the am classic bb looks simple and easy to service and it also has a very cleaver grease injection system. i can post the weight later.

mtbr member dee eight used to sell ti jis bb's for a great price. all you'd have to do is get a pair of bearings (can you say phil wood) and you're ready to roll.

as for the rounding of the jis interface, i haven't seen this happen on mtbr, EVER. i think, that if you torque the crank bolts properly, you should not have a problem.

i will post some ti porn with eno spice later. i'm just about to rinse my bike off. my wife brushed up against the bike and she was wearing white pants!!! :eek:
oh hey kam...how are you. thanks for the great post.

I am torn on the cranks....both sound great. in terms of price, it looks to be about the same with the ENO only a tad lower but of course could vary depending on which BB I would go with on the ENO and if you know me, budget contstraints completely go out the window when I get on a role :)

In terms of weight, I guess it is significant. How much are the Atlas...aren't they a tad over 900 grams so without the 2 other rings, how much would it come to (not sure how much rings weigh). So the ENO is 520 grams plus another 200 at most so 720grams....pretty good, you are right. Correct me if I am wrong on this...

I can get the Atlas and get a credit from the rings and put a SS ring on so they will not be that much more than the ENO plus BB.....I will perhaps flip a coin.

Cheers and thanks again for that info
 

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Don't forget about the Q-factor...

Keep in mind that the Atlas/Deus/XTR/XT/LX/anyotherexternallBB cranks will have significantly wider Q-factor than an enO paired with the right length BB.
This may or may not be a bad thing, it may not matter at all. From my experience, most riders will be better off with low Q-factors in most conditions. However, if you're riding SS with wide bars, it may be a wash. And if you have a history of illeo-tibial band fricton, the wider Q might actually be an advantage.
Oh, I'm sorry. I guess that doesn't clear anything up for you, does it? :D

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sslos said:
Keep in mind that the Atlas/Deus/XTR/XT/LX/anyotherexternallBB cranks will have significantly wider Q-factor than an enO paired with the right length BB.
This may or may not be a bad thing, it may not matter at all. From my experience, most riders will be better off with low Q-factors in most conditions. However, if you're riding SS with wide bars, it may be a wash. And if you have a history of illeo-tibial band fricton, the wider Q might actually be an advantage.
Oh, I'm sorry. I guess that doesn't clear anything up for you, does it? :D

the los
I thought about that....but to be honest, I have no idea if I am better of with a wider or narrower q-factor. I have bowed legs and walk on the outside of my feet so not sure theoretically which then becomes a better configuration (low or high q-factor).

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FoShizzle said:
I thought about that....but to be honest, I have no idea if I am better of with a wider or narrower q-factor. I have bowed legs and walk on the outside of my feet so not sure theoretically which then becomes a better configuration (low or high q-factor).

cheers
i am not sure what the weight of the atlas arms/spindle and bearings are, maybe it's listed on the weight weenies site. i am sure there is a listing for the dues crank though.

as for the eno weights....my cranks, again, are 520, and the am classic steel bb i just got is another 217g (not ultra light, the steel spindle is 121mm wide).

if you go eno, let me know. i can get come chainline info for you with the current 120mm race face taperlock bb i have on.

as for q-factor, the atlas will be wider (so the atlas has more q-factor). this means the arms (and of course, the pedals) sit farther apart. if you're bow-legged or supinate, i am guessing the wider/greater q-factor would work better for you, especially since people stand alot on a ss.

i betcha larry can hook you up with a eno crankset and ti am classic bb for abit over $200 or so. maybe total weigh would be about 700g max if it matters.

here is that porn;
<img src=https://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/500/234616lores_eno_cranks.jpg>
 

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Kam said:
i am not sure what the weight of the atlas arms/spindle and bearings are, maybe it's listed on the weight weenies site. i am sure there is a listing for the dues crank though.

as for the eno weights....my cranks, again, are 520, and the am classic steel bb i just got is another 217g (not ultra light, the steel spindle is 121mm wide).

if you go eno, let me know. i can get come chainline info for you with the current 120mm race face taperlock bb i have on.

as for q-factor, the atlas will be wider (so the atlas has more q-factor). this means the arms (and of course, the pedals) sit farther apart. if you're bow-legged or supinate, i am guessing the wider/greater q-factor would work better for you, especially since people stand alot on a ss.

i betcha larry can hook you up with a eno crankset and ti am classic bb for abit over $200 or so. maybe total weigh would be about 700g max if it matters.

here is that porn;
ohhhhh.....darn you with that picture!!! very sweet!!! will someone please rebut Kam and post a sweet Atlas SS crank setup?
 
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