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It seems that Ellsworth gets a bad name on the forums, I'm considering an Ellsworth Evolve and wonder if there is something I should know about this bike or company?
 

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af73 said:
It seems that Ellsworth gets a bad name on the forums, I'm considering an Ellsworth Evolve and wonder if there is something I should know about this bike or company?
All I know is that back in the late 90's, I wanted to buy one because they were cool.

I never did, they're just another brand in the noise.
 

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Expense.
Arrogance of several sellers.
Arrogance of the manufacturer.
Not so great customer service stories.
Lack of DT clearance for Reba's(though that may have changed).
 

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Make sure you are able to obtain the real specs of the frame. The original design was more aggressive but had a clearance issue between the fork and downtube. Therefore the geometry was relaxed but last time I looked the new Ells site had completely wrong data posted for their frames so be careful.
 

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I don't know about anyone's Ellworth but Chris's Ellsworth.

Since I've been riding with him (3 years) He's broken every tube on it aside from the head tube and one seat stay. They always send him a new frame or a new rear triangle, but come on guys...Chris isn't THAT big....210 maybe. Now he is riding some bastardization of a Truth and an Id...it actually held up for a whole season (granted he hasn't ridden with us much...)

Anyhow, I've seen other guys break frames, but never over and over and in different places like Chris's piece of sh!t bike.
 

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I don't know about anyone's Ellworth but Chris's Ellsworth.

Since I've been riding with him (3 years) He's broken every tube on it aside from the head tube and one seat stay. They always send him a new frame or a new rear triangle, but come on guys...Chris isn't THAT big....210 maybe. Now he is riding some bastardization of a Truth and an Id...it actually held up for a whole season (granted he hasn't ridden with us much...)

Anyhow, I've seen other guys break frames, but never over and over and in different places like Chris's piece of sh!t bike.
I think this is a common issue. I know of a few guys with Moments, though they have never broken, I think the tubing is far too light for the intended purpose. When someone purchases a 6" travel bike, and can build it to 29lbs, something is wrong IMO. My Turner RFX is 38-39lbs (though this is excessive, most fall in the 34-35lb range) is far more durable. It just seem like ellsworth is selling weight. With people going bigger and bigger on bikes, Ellsworth needs to step up and using heavier stronger tubing. I would be scared to death riding a bike that light for what i do.

A light weight 6" bike, what's not too like, right? Until you do what a 6" bike was designed for and it breaks anyway. Not too many bikes can compete with the weight of an Ellsworth. Not a good selling point IMO.
 

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They are expensive, and they break.

Their tubes are too thin. My friend kick up a rock, and it hit the chain stay and cracked it. That is $h!t if you ask me.
 

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I think the last year or 2 they have made a lot of progress in terms of durability and service
I told Tony a few years ago I was frankly nervous to sell the frames to all but the lightest and smoothest riders.... they had a lot of flack over their warranty and have adjusted it to be in more in line with other high end frame makers

We have a fair # of newer Truths and Epiphanies out there that are being ridden, holding up and being enjoyed

I have an Evolve coming in in a few days to build up for myself to check out and evaluate
 

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anyone actually riding an Ellsworth have any comments on their experience with it? Anyone with an evolve got any comments?
 

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I own an epiphany and have been riding pretty consistently over the past year and a half. I haven't had a single problem with it, in fact, I have ridden harder since I got the Ellsworth than when I had my Trek Fuel (which i broke, i might add). I wouldn't worry about the build quality or durability.

With the Evolve, I would worry about the fork and downtube clearance.

Also, I know this starts a whole new **** storm, but is a full suss 29er really neccesary? I have been riding my steel rigid 29er for about a year now and have only mildly considered a front fork, there is really no bonus to a fully IMO. Sorry for that little digression
 

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af73 said:
anyone actually riding an Ellsworth have any comments on their experience with it? Anyone with an evolve got any comments?
I assumed riding next to one as it kept breaking was pretty dang close:D
 

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I owned an Ellsworth Joker that I sold to make room for my Niner. I really liked the bike and it held up great, it was just too small. No issues, but this was an overbuilt single pivot bike.
 

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The Joker and the Isis? (i think) were great bikes, however, I used to have a customer with a Truth, it just continually broke, the importer and factory were crap and a lot of the replacement parts were not the right spec. To his credit, he stuck by it but i really don't know why. The worst thing is that he was mainly a roadie and never pushed the limits, ever!!
 

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I raced and rode a Truth for more than a few years and thought it was an awesome bike- stiffest and most responsive FS I've ridden. Did break a chainstay, this was a design issue that has been addressed with the new asymetrical chainstays. This same bike is still being ridden/raced all the time by somebody else. She did 24 hour races, 100 mile races, long technical days, and some stuff way beyond design capacity (3 foot drops with good trannys and the like).
The Evolve in plain back (don't like the new freaky anodized schemes) would be on my very short list if I had a desire for a new bike and had the payola.
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I think this is a common issue. I know of a few guys with Moments, though they have never broken, I think the tubing is far too light for the intended purpose. When someone purchases a 6" travel bike, and can build it to 29lbs, something is wrong IMO. My Turner RFX is 38-39lbs (though this is excessive, most fall in the 34-35lb range) is far more durable. It just seem like ellsworth is selling weight. With people going bigger and bigger on bikes, Ellsworth needs to step up and using heavier stronger tubing. I would be scared to death riding a bike that light for what i do.

A light weight 6" bike, what's not too like, right? Until you do what a 6" bike was designed for and it breaks anyway. Not too many bikes can compete with the weight of an Ellsworth. Not a good selling point IMO.
An RFX and a moment build to the same weight with the same parts...the frames are the same weight. (give or take a 1/10 lbs) My moment is right at 28 with no weight related issues, and rides great. Both great bikes BTW. The Turner and Ells guys have talked so much shiat on each others bikes in the past and it seems senseless. I would own one from either manufacture.

My main problem with Ells has been in the design of their new ASYM stays which are very wide and has some crank interference problems on some models and their customer service seems hit or miss. Becuase of the CS issue it is hard for me to reccomend them, and I hope they turn this around as I beleive they make nice bikes.
 
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