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I'm loving it but need some help.
2000 Dare, Ellsworth support told my LBS it was only avail to team riders. Can't find a lot of info on it. Takes on;y a single chainring and the DH stays are very wide so I need to run a 40-42t ring. Takes a 24" rear wheel only and I have a 2.75 Arrow prime bite on it. When descending the chain slaps the upper stay a lot, good bit of slack there, and it gets caught on the tire and pulled into the stay. Right now I don't have a chainguide bc not sure what will fit. It will need to hold that chain. so not just a wheel over the chain. Something like an MRP G2 maybe? Anyone have/seen one of these who can offer some advice?
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Its definitely an early model, 1st year they were out. Have you tried calling Ellsworth to check the serial #? Looks awesome! I thought you said you needed a chain guide? Looks like you have one on it.....
 

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Hey,
Shoot me an email if you would be interested in one of our older gen guides for your rig...
[email protected]

I should be able to get you set up with somthing that works. Does that frame have any ISCG tabs on it as far as you can tell? (Check bottom bracket area)

Cheers,
philip @ e*thirteen
 

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Check for Cracks!

That would be my Advice.
 

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Nope, no cracks! :thumbsup:
Part of my problem was derailleur not picking up slack, rebuilt & that helped. Current "fix" is I put a Blackspire Stinger facing upwards to hold chain on the big ring, then frankensteined (new verb) an old Kore Chain Reactor on the stay to elevate the chain a bit and keep it away from the too big tire! Hope to test at Sunday River if the #*&*&^@@ rain stops! The old Evil would be perfect - but it only takes a BB mount. Had to remove the bash and put a 42t on there but that's why god made chairlifts!
 

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No, I saw them in person. 24 or not, those rockers are so long, they got nothing but laughs and awkward stares. I think the stays might have been longish as well. I remember the owner and two of his buddies were riding through a rocky trail I not yet had the skills to ride at this bike park and they blasted right through, turning through the rocks and pointing down. He definitely got hung up. Whether it was the suspension or him is up for debate, but at the village, and I remember distinctly, people were really blatantly pointing at the bike and laughing. I felt bad for him because he actually knew it. He wasn't acting like a jerk or anything. Everyone had stuff from Karpiel, Turner, unnamed protos, and a bunch of other stuff. On the trail, I remember it had an appearance of just being like one really long bike.
 

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"I felt bad for him because he actually knew it. He wasn't acting like a jerk or anything. Everyone had stuff from Karpiel, Turner, unnamed protos, and a bunch of other stuff."

Oh Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz, my friends all drive Porches I must make amends...:) I would feel bad foir him because he cared! So the rockers & stays are both 16.5" and the wheelbase is 44", 2 more than I'm used to. All my testing thus far has been on typical New England trails; rock garden and wet roots for the most part. What I've found is as long as I hit the rock gardens at speed it's fine. I've heard 24" wheels hang up on square hits, but haven't experienced it yet. Course the Arrows I have on there are pretty big, might minimizew the difference in wheels size. Handling felt a little worse going slow and riding up, but that's not what I bought it for. I look at it this way, for $200 I got a frame I can race geezer sport class DH on. Since I can't afford a Karpiel, Intense, etc. I'll take the funny look! Just need to resolve some of the mechanical issues...
 

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Undescended said:
"I felt bad for him because he actually knew it. He wasn't acting like a jerk or anything. Everyone had stuff from Karpiel, Turner, unnamed protos, and a bunch of other stuff."

Oh Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz, my friends all drive Porches I must make amends...:) I would feel bad foir him because he cared! So the rockers & stays are both 16.5" and the wheelbase is 44", 2 more than I'm used to. All my testing thus far has been on typical New England trails; rock garden and wet roots for the most part. What I've found is as long as I hit the rock gardens at speed it's fine. I've heard 24" wheels hang up on square hits, but haven't experienced it yet. Course the Arrows I have on there are pretty big, might minimizew the difference in wheels size. Handling felt a little worse going slow and riding up, but that's not what I bought it for. I look at it this way, for $200 I got a frame I can race geezer sport class DH on. Since I can't afford a Karpiel, Intense, etc. I'll take the funny look! Just need to resolve some of the mechanical issues...
Sweet Dare! I have a few friends with early model Dares and they love them. The ICT suspension rocks.

As for wheelbase, 44in isn't that long for DH. The wheelbase for my Moment is listed at 44.7" and my Rogue is something like 46 or 47".
 

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How much does the frame/whole package weigh?
Wow, great question! We don't even have a bathroom scale in our house so I'll have to check with an LBS at some point. Gotta be over 40 cos the Halo rear wheels are said to be hefty and the 2.75 Arrow is a load, not to mention the Glory Hole pedals :D Many injuries ago I had a Stinky Primo built up with Mamoth wheels, a 2002 Jr.T and Nokians on it - I can say this is lighter than that one!!! Finally got my frankenbuild together and it held things together in the rocks just fine. I think it will be the balls for DH but I need to muck with the drivetrain to get it to freeride mode as 42/26 up hills is too much for my old legs!
 
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