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I noticed a BEWARE! warning on the EBC disc pads page today when I was checking out the EBC gold pads. They show a picture of the Ashima Airotor and the Alligator Windcutter...

http://www.ebcbrakes.com/mountainbike.html

THERE IS NO WARRANTY USING EBC PADS ON THESE DESIGNS OF DISCS DUE TO EXTREMELY LOW BRAKING AREA AND FAST PAD WEAR THAT HAS BEEN REPORTED USING RESIN PADS SUCH AS EBC RED & GREEN AND OTHERS.

I ran the Alligator Windcutter 180mm rotors front and rear on both my Dos Niner and Sugar 293 for XC racing this past season using the Avid Sintered pads. In both cases, I installed new Avid pads when I installed the rotors. I just pulled the pads out of my front caliper on my main race bike to measure the wear. The pads are still 3.5 - 4mm's thick on the front after an entire season of racing. That's 15 events plus all the training and riding between events. It appears that the combination of the Avid mechanical disc brake, Avid Sintered pads and the Alligator Windcutter rotors seems to work quite well together.

I was averaging a season per set of Avid pads plus part of the next season using the Clean Sweep rotors, so it looks like it will be about the same with the Windcutters and Avid sintered pads. I wonder if the EBC Gold pads would be the same, better, worse....?

But that is my setup. I know others have had pad eating issues with the Airotor and the Windcutter.

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That's a good indicator of the difference in hardness and durability between sintered metal and organic resin pads. Their warning doesn't apply to their sintered bronze pads.

My experience with the Avid and Marta organic pads is they are softer, quieter, stop better and wear faster. With a rotor with lots of open area, it likely acts more like a deli meat slicer on the pads.
 

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rockyuphill said:
That's a good indicator of the difference in hardness and durability between sintered metal and organic resin pads. Their warning doesn't apply to their sintered bronze pads.
So their Golds should be good to go, right? I knew that since Nino suggests the Golds with the Windcutters. I am curious about the similarities or differences between the Avid sintered pads and the EBC golds. If anyone has tried both with the Windcutters, I would love to hear feedback on which one provides the most power.

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golds are better

BruceBrown said:
So their Golds should be good to go, right? I knew that since Nino suggests the Golds with the Windcutters. I am curious about the similarities or differences between the Avid sintered pads and the EBC golds. If anyone has tried both with the Windcutters, I would love to hear feedback on which one provides the most power.

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i used the stock pads on my Juicy Ultimates first and wasn't impressed at all. i even mounted a 180 rotor up front to get the power out of the discbrake i was hoping for. after installing the EBC gold i was able to go down one size again: 160 front/140 rear. they offer that much more power! and i never had any excessive wear at all.
 

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nino said:
i used the stock pads on my Juicy Ultimates first and wasn't impressed at all. i even mounted a 180 rotor up front to get the power out of the discbrake i was hoping for. after installing the EBC gold i was able to go down one size again: 160 front/140 rear. they offer that much more power! and i never had any excessive wear at all.
I am assuming the stock Juicy Ultimate pads were the Avid sintered, and not the organic pads - right?

If I could go down a rotor size using the Golds - that would indeed be trick. At the very least, the investment for smaller rotors, new adapters and new pads would not break the bank totally if it didn't work out.

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Stock Avid Ultimate pad is Organic

I love the Avid Organic - running mine with Hope Pro floating rotors - silent running, awesome power too. I dont like Sintereds - there too hard for my preference.

HAVING to run sintered pads just to run a light weight rotor is crazy!
 

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Tiffster said:
HAVING to run sintered pads just to run a light weight rotor is crazy!
I don't get the dichotomy. But then again, I've been running nothing by Avid sintered pads since 2002. If the EBC Gold pads boost the performance of the Windcutters - I'm game...

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Are the stock pads on new XTRs resin or sintered? Anyone have experience using them on Alligator Windcutters?
 

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i got my old set of magura matra brakes on my anthem
im running unex pads(they re identical company to alligator) which makes the pad wif same compound but wif thermal dissplacement plate(just a ceramic layer so braking heat will less likely to boil yrs brake up
well i don really c the point when y u would go for EBC pads while alligator/unex make pads that work perfect for their rotors

btw normal pads will work perfect wif the normal steel alligator rotor without ti coating
and most metallic will work well with the ti coating rotors
 

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rockyuphill said:
Stock Avid Ultimate pads are the alloy backed versions, and the EBC have stainless steel backing plates, so the Avids should be lighter.
Does anybody know the history of the EBC gold pads? Reading the reviews here at MTBR.com, it appears that in the early part of this decade the gold pads must have been made with a different compound as EBC saw so many returns due to short life of the pads that they changed the compound.

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Where can I source a set of these Gold pads for my Avid J7's?
I'm currently running the Ashima [Alligator] rotors with brand new Avid sintered pads front and rear, [180/160mm] and want to try the EBC golds instead of the Avid.
I searched around the 'net but can't find any for J7's. [maybe I was looking in the wrong places].
Anyways, a link to them would be nice.

Thanks,

R.

[ps: im in AU.]
 

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rockyuphill said:
Stock Avid Ultimate pads are the alloy backed versions, and the EBC have stainless steel backing plates, so the Avids should be lighter.
That was my question, by how much. :) I am not sure I want to order a set just to put them on my gram scale. Asking the collective knowledge of the WWW here..

Still can not get the exact weight difference between 160mm G2 and G3 rotors either.

(I want to either switch to G3 on Ultimates, or get Alligator and switch to EBC gold pads, and want to know the exact weight change in either case)
 

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I have used a variety of pads with the Ashima AiRotors, and I always use sintered pads. The EBC Golds are fine but I find them pretty thick, and I have had a tough time fitting them into my Marta SL brakes. Sintered pads with the Ashima AiRotors have decent shelf life so far for me. EBC statement that it is the low braking surface isn't the entire issue, it is the cutouts in those rotors that chew up pads. The Ashima AiRotors can eat a set of organic pads in one day!
 

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Curmy said:
Still can not get the exact weight difference between 160mm G2 and G3 rotors either.e)
I have seen this somewhere...maybe in the Sram forum?

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