Mountain Bike Reviews Forum banner
1 - 12 of 12 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,450 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Kind of. Several emailers/readers asked about the DWLink....and RC either didn't have time or didn't have the answer. At lease people know DW exists! I like how the one reader wants to know if the MKIII will be like the Ibis :p

http://www.mbaction.com/qanda.asp

Q. Hi RC. It's time for a new bike. I live in north east PA where everything seems to be straight up or down. I ride just natural terain with no big drops or jumps. I am looking for an all mountain bike in the 2 to 3K range. My choices are the SJ pro (I know that one is streching the budget), trance, reign, IH mkIII from LBS or IBIS, comencal meta 5, or Blur lt from mail order. How would choose for my area? Also when are you going to test the Iron Horse? Should it be very similar to the Ibis? Thanks for the great mag Jim
Jim/mbaction.com - 6/25/2006 7:01:30 PM

A. RC: You'll like a bike with a slightly slacker head angle than the Specialized to handle the technical descents in PA. Get the Santa Cruz Blur LT or the Comencal.

Q. Hi RC, I own a circa yr.2000 Intense Tracer. I recently got the shock "Pushed", bearings replaced and bought an OE closeout of an '05 Talas RLC fork. I know you own a Tracer yourself. I want you to give it to me straight; how does that bike, with the shock upgrades compare to the current crop of 4-bar linkeages and more modern VPP and DW-link designs? Are the modern designs really that much better? I just can't afford buying a new bike every 3-4 years!
mikeder/mbaction.com - 6/24/2006 7:33:08 PM

A. RC: I still ride my Tracer--it's a great performing XC machine and it only suffers because it lacks the travel of modern trailbikes. I run a four-inch Fox X-fork and that is about the maximum travel up front that you can use while maintaining its steering geometry. Keep your Tracer until you decide to buy a five or six-inch travel machine.
 

·
aka baycat
Joined
·
8,480 Posts
MB Action is good when running low on toilet paper.

And I take any of RC reviews with a grain of salt.

People on these board(s) overall have much better collective insight into moutain biking, bike recommendations, tech help, etc. than anything else I have seen.
 

·
The Dude Abides
Joined
·
212 Posts
I don't get it....

I don't understand why people ask other people what bike to buy. I mean, if you new to the sport and don't really know whats out there, then getting some recommendations helps a lot. But the people asking these questions clearly know their mountain bikes and know whats out there. Why should some dude I've never met know anything about my trails, how I ride or what kind of bike I would like best? His answer to any question like that should be ,"go ride them, choose the one you like best". And if you can't test ride, formus like this are great because then you can ask others about different performance variables that are important to you and get feedback to make an informed decision.

Sorry for the rant. I get asked "what bike should I buy" all the time, and its frustrating for all the reasons I stated above. So the next time you want to ask someone that, answer it yourself with "the one I like the best"

And then go ride!! :thumbsup:
 

·
www.derbyrims.com
Joined
·
6,766 Posts
RC had good answers

westin said:
Q. Hi RC. It's time for a new bike. I live in north east PA where everything seems to be straight up or down. I ride just natural terain with no big drops or jumps. I am looking for an all mountain bike in the 2 to 3K range. My choices are the SJ pro (I know that one is streching the budget), trance, reign, IH mkIII from LBS or IBIS, comencal meta 5, or Blur lt from mail order. How would choose for my area? Also when are you going to test the Iron Horse? Should it be very similar to the Ibis? Thanks for the great mag Jim
Jim/mbaction.com - 6/25/2006 7:01:30 PM

A. RC: You'll like a bike with a slightly slacker head angle than the Specialized to handle the technical descents in PA. Get the Santa Cruz Blur LT or the Comencal.
.
RC was suggesting bikes with slacker head angles. The steep head angle of the MKiii currently doesn't qualify for superior technical downhill geometry, and the Ibis would qualify but is not availble yet.

westin said:
Q. Hi RC, I own a circa yr.2000 Intense Tracer. I recently got the shock "Pushed", bearings replaced and bought an OE closeout of an '05 Talas RLC fork. I know you own a Tracer yourself. I want you to give it to me straight; how does that bike, with the shock upgrades compare to the current crop of 4-bar linkeages and more modern VPP and DW-link designs? Are the modern designs really that much better? I just can't afford buying a new bike every 3-4 years!
mikeder/mbaction.com - 6/24/2006 7:33:08 PM

A. RC: I still ride my Tracer--it's a great performing XC machine and it only suffers because it lacks the travel of modern trailbikes. I run a four-inch Fox X-fork and that is about the maximum travel up front that you can use while maintaining its steering geometry. Keep your Tracer until you decide to buy a five or six-inch travel machine.
Having ridden nearly all the more recent designs, I agree with RC's answer.

Annd owning a Tracer for over 4 years now and demoed the Mkiii (Hollowpoint and I. F. DW-Link), I like the slacker handling adjustment of the Tracer much better than the current steep fork angled MKiii for technically rough terrain trail riding. The current Mkii is more optimized for tight corners on smoother terrain such a s DS racing or singletrack without larger obstacles. Perhaps a 6 inch fork on the current MKiii could better match the handling of the slacker Tracer adjustment, but 6 inch forks are too big for good trail riding if you need to climb more than a few hundred feet. The Tracer can be adjusted in handling to be just as quick or adjusted to be even quicker handling than the MKiii. Pedaling the Tracer has nearly as little bob as the MKiii on smooth pavement. The advantages of the MKiii is more plush longer rear travel and noticeably smoother pedaling with even less, even no noticeable feed back in the granny on rough terrain than the very smooth pedaling Tracer. The '07 MKiii should match or better the Tracer in all categories, but currently there are still some areas the Tracer is superior.

BTW, I've put large money down on the Ibis DW-link Mojo Carbon. If it shows up with the specified geometry it will the first trail bike that is as good or superior to the Tracer in all situations.

And the specs for the lighter and slacker steering and wider tire clearing '07 MKiii should produce the second bike in all ways better than the Tracer for mountain trail riding.

:cool:

- ray
 

·
Trail Rider
Joined
·
914 Posts
derby said:
The '07 MKiii should match or better the Tracer in all categories, but currently there are still some areas the Tracer is superior.

And the specs for the lighter and slacker steering and wider tire clearing '07 MKiii should produce the second bike in all ways better than the Tracer for mountain trail riding.

:cool:

- ray
I'm hoping this will materialize from Iron Horse. I want 5.5 in. of travel also. I still think this would be the ultimate trail bike(5.5 in. and under 6.5 lb.).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,450 Posts
Discussion Starter · #8 ·
derby said:
RC was suggesting bikes with slacker head angles. The steep head angle of the MKiii currently doesn't qualify for superior technical downhill geometry, and the Ibis would qualify but is not availble yet.

Having ridden nearly all the more recent designs, I agree with RC's answer.

Annd owning a Tracer for over 4 years now and demoed the Mkiii (Hollowpoint and I. F. DW-Link), I like the slacker handling adjustment of the Tracer much better than the current steep fork angled MKiii for technically rough terrain trail riding. The current Mkii is more optimized for tight corners on smoother terrain such a s DS racing or singletrack without larger obstacles. Perhaps a 6 inch fork on the current MKiii could better match the handling of the slacker Tracer adjustment, but 6 inch forks are too big for good trail riding if you need to climb more than a few hundred feet. The Tracer can be adjusted in handling to be just as quick or adjusted to be even quicker handling than the MKiii. Pedaling the Tracer has nearly as little bob as the MKiii on smooth pavement. The advantages of the MKiii is more plush longer rear travel and noticeably smoother pedaling with even less, even no noticeable feed back in the granny on rough terrain than the very smooth pedaling Tracer. The '07 MKiii should match or better the Tracer in all categories, but currently there are still some areas the Tracer is superior.

BTW, I've put large money down on the Ibis DW-link Mojo Carbon. If it shows up with the specified geometry it will the first trail bike that is as good or superior to the Tracer in all situations.

And the specs for the lighter and slacker steering and wider tire clearing '07 MKiii should produce the second bike in all ways better than the Tracer for mountain trail riding.

:cool:

- ray
Ray,
All great comments, as usual.
I thought even in the slack mode the Tracer's HA was 70d, and in regular/steep mode it was 71 or 71.5.
For my preference, I could not get used to the high bb of the Tracer (I don't ride tons of logs and rocks and such where a higher bb would be beneficial to prevent crank/pedal bashing that I sometimes get on the low-slung MKIII).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,905 Posts
yogreg said:
MB Action sucks and R.C is a Tool.

any questions?
Recall though the very favorable article on the Azure. Several pages devoted to DW-link and a full page devoted to the Azure.

He actually rode the thing and took the time to get the straight scoop from DW.

Put it in context: MBA is from the land of Southern California and often pimps the boutique brands like Titus, Turner, and Intense. The fact that RC spoke so highly of Iron Horse (an east coast, value brand) in that article says a lot me thinks.
 

·
www.derbyrims.com
Joined
·
6,766 Posts
westin said:
Ray,
All great comments, as usual.
I thought even in the slack mode the Tracer's HA was 70d, and in regular/steep mode it was 71 or 71.5.
For my preference, I could not get used to the high bb of the Tracer (I don't ride tons of logs and rocks and such where a higher bb would be beneficial to prevent crank/pedal bashing that I sometimes get on the low-slung MKIII).
Yes the slack mode Tracer is about 70 degrees, same as the MKiii. But the Tracer slack setting seat tube angle is about a degree slacker at 72 degrees than the MKiii, so the rider isn't over the fork as much with the same fit. The Tracer has 1 inch less travel to dive into when riding steeper downhill or braking hard. So the limits of handling is about 1+ degree slacker compared to the MKiii when handling is pushed towards the limits.

The Tracer's higher BB (13.5 inches) was weird at first to me too, but I got used to it in a couple days and a few steeper climbs.

- ray
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,450 Posts
Discussion Starter · #11 ·
derby said:
Yes the slack mode Tracer is about 70 degrees, same as the MKiii. But the Tracer slack setting seat tube angle is about a degree slacker at 72 degrees than the MKiii, so the rider isn't over the fork as much with the same fit. The Tracer has 1 inch less travel to dive into when riding steeper downhill or braking hard. So the limits of handling is about 1+ degree slacker compared to the MKiii when handling is pushed towards the limits.

The Tracer's higher BB (13.5 inches) was weird at first to me too, but I got used to it in a couple days and a few steeper climbs.

- ray
I wanted more travel, and mine had the stock RL Float. I figured in the price of PUSH...and when the MKIII Team frame/headset/post/saddle came along I could not pass up the $500 price! New. PUSH'ing along would've been close to $200 when all was said and done with postage.
I had an F100X on my Tracer. It just always felt tall and short. Maybe it was my 120x0 stem. Who knows. It's with an owner who can appreciate the great bike, someone who does not suffer from Upgrade-Itis.
 

·
www.derbyrims.com
Joined
·
6,766 Posts
Quattro said:
I'm hoping this will materialize from Iron Horse. I want 5.5 in. of travel also. I still think this would be the ultimate trail bike(5.5 in. and under 6.5 lb.).
It would be cool if IH added that .5 inch to the '07 MKiii. It would then match the 5.5 inch travel and frame geometry of the Mojo. The 6Point will be heavier duty and slacker in geometry.

- ray
 
1 - 12 of 12 Posts
Top