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Nope, but it looks fun. I really dig these fatty bikes and we got plentry of sand dunes around Vegas..... Looks like you could make new trails fairlly easy with these bikes???
 

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Haven't tried riding in super-soft sand (i.e. dunes) but fat 29" tires are lot of fun on the beach, and up to most beach conditions from sand to gravel to babyheads.

I'm sure 4" tires are a whole other world of capability though. A Pugsley is still on my "dream bike" list.
 

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I've rode both a 29er and a Pugsley here in Florence, both worked equally well on packed sand the 29er was much faster. I wasn't that impressed with the Pugsley, the things a tank, almost 40lbs. I was think of buying one for the beach and the dunes, what stopped me was the realization that I'd be fighting the demon rust constantly. Salt water, sand, and steel do not work well together, my friend's Pugsley is covered with rust despite his best efforts and thorough cleaning after every ride. Riding the dunes is fun and everybody should try it, but in my opinion a quad is a better tool.
 

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jollybeggar said:
I've rode both a 29er and a Pugsley here in Florence, both worked equally well on packed sand the 29er was much faster. I wasn't that impressed with the Pugsley, the things a tank, almost 40lbs. I was think of buying one for the beach and the dunes, what stopped me was the realization that I'd be fighting the demon rust constantly. Salt water, sand, and steel do not work well together, my friend's Pugsley is covered with rust despite his best efforts and thorough cleaning after every ride. Riding the dunes is fun and everybody should try it, but in my opinion a quad is a better tool.
Yah, the Pug's isn't the rig for "Big Sand". Not only is steel the wrong material for coastal riding (mine are both ALU) but the stock 65mm LM's just don't match up to the 80's & especially the 100mm's available now for floatation. As for your comparison of ANY bicycle to a Quad or any other motorized vehicle... Shame on You! I'm not against motorized recreation at all, and in fact realize the need to ally with other groups these days, especially those who leave tire tracks. But to compare twistin' the peddles to twistin' the throttle.... Ridiculous! Anyone can turn a throttle... Very few will come forward with the gumption to peddle around in the big sand!

Sorry Bro, had to call you out on that one
Cheers!

P.S. Here's a vid with my new fatty w/ 100mm's. Haven't had it down to the OR dunes yet, but coming soon...

and one from this January...

And one from a couple weekends ago on some inland dunes here in central Wa.
 

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There's a new 100mm out now... single wall and pre-drilled. And I do plan to drill these... thing is, in they're element they out perform lighter, narrower rims... and performance is the key element. Especially when/where the lighter equipment can't keep up with the heavier equipment. "high Floatation" riding is a Physics thing. Has to do more with tire volume,Tire pressure, tire profile and rim width. Not as much with weight. Though everyone is working on that issue now, it was down on the list from physics. Plenty of lighter cars share similar horsepower with heavier trucks. Trucks use more gears and operate at different rpm's at different times than cars to move they're load down the same road. If your going to operate a heavier bike, just think a little more like a truck. That said, I'm well aware that Fat Biking isn't for everyone. But if you've got the notion to peddle where bikes have previously been unable too, and you have the patience to mess with different tire pressure's for different surface's... and you don't have to be a "Ferrari" all the time, might want to check them out... If you "get it", the fun factor is very high. Lot's of fat bikers report lot's of giggling on they're rides. I can tell you this, having walked over & through plenty of sand, I can cover so much more ground out in the dunes in a day on one of these than I could ever cover on foot it's not even comparable.
 

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P.S. Here's a vid with my new fatty w/ 100mm's. Haven't had it down to the OR dunes yet, but coming soon...
Ward, assuming you do all of this mostly solo, awesome videography! Great angles and camera positions, shot frames, use of light, editing, music. You got skills.

I think I enjoy watching your vids almost as much as I would actually being out on a fatty.
 

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Ward, assuming you do all of this mostly solo, awesome videography! Great angles and camera positions, shot frames, use of light, editing, music. You got skills.

I think I enjoy watching your vids almost as much as I would actually being out on a fatty.
Thanks Malibu! Yes, all solo... tough to find partner's that will put up w/ all that runnin' around and re-ridin' & etc.. All with a little Tachyon micro too. hoping to upgrade soon. Kind of fell into the film making thing by accident... gettin' kind of addicted now. Since your in WA too, here's one from White Pass last weekend...
I've got two FB's now if you ever want to meet for a spin and give "fat" a try...
 

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Malibu412 said:
Ward, assuming you do all of this mostly solo, awesome videography! Great angles and camera positions, shot frames, use of light, editing, music. You got skills.

I think I enjoy watching your vids almost as much as I would actually being out on a fatty.
+1

Tony Rice is the man!

Thanks for sharing. Nice work.
 

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Plenty of lighter cars share similar horsepower with heavier trucks. Trucks use more gears and operate at different rpm's at different times than cars to move they're load down the same road. If your going to operate a heavier bike, just think a little more like a truck.
Horsepower is a measurement of work over time. Light cars and heavy trucks are not just different in their gearing and rpm's it's the amount of torque the engine produces . It's like when you go to pee in the morning before you've chopped the morning wood and you knock your feet out from under yourself. That's torque.
 

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Horsepower is a measurement of work over time. Light cars and heavy trucks are not just different in their gearing and rpm's it's the amount of torque the engine produces . It's like when you go to pee in the morning before you've chopped the morning wood and you knock your feet out from under yourself. That's torque.
Yes torque, very important, but hard to explain to people. Come's into play BIG TIME in soft sand & snow riding. I "lug the engine"(me) all the time to keep from "digging in" and losing traction... also helps cancel the bounce from the soft,"high floatation" tires. Low end torque is a beautiful thing! And something I've borrowed from my 4x4ing experiences and brought into Fat Biking. Out in the soft sand, I often act like a straight 6 or a "thumper"... never like a two cycle!
 
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