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Is there something that magically makes them not litter? Too much trouble to put it in the jersey pocket? Or do you just want to look like the guys in the Tour de France?
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I don't why anyone would use packets when a gel bottle works so much better.

Saves money when buying bulk sized gels, and you can mix with water to slam quicker. And no litter!
 

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^^Not everyone is as smart as you are.

One time, while the first group was racing, I walked around as a spectator, picking up gelpacks. A few of them were half full, and most of them had about a fourth left in them. You can guess if I decided to finish them or not, but I was shocked to see this nonetheless.
 

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Racers are in a hurry

Eating at speed is a learned skill. Elegance and composure while racing is something which takes time to accumulate. Training to these sorts of behaviors makes a difference.

At the NorCal High school Championships at Boggs there were a total of 1000 laps of a 6 mile circuit by 420 racers on race day and 200 riders pre-rode the day before. 6 shot wrappers were found after the race. We train them this way and remind them. They are students and minors accustomed to learning, taking direction, and listening to adults. I know that sounds weird but compared to adults they listen.

You can't do that with adults who race independently on their fun day off.
 

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I dropped one while doing a 12 hour race a few months back. I was fumbling to try and get it back into my jersey pocket in time as the track was about to get nasty. I stopped and picked it up next lap otherwise I was going to have to see it for the next 8 hours every time I went past.
 

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Is there something that magically makes them not litter? Too much trouble to put it in the jersey pocket? Or do you just want to look like the guys in the Tour de France?
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Littering PISSES me off. I have actually yelled at teammates in road races for throwing gel packs. I've chastised other racers also during races. It's funny, when I ride I always stop and pick up garbage on the trails, my friends don't even ask why I'm stopping anymore because they know I'm picking up some lazy azzholes trash.
 

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i think it is likely that at least some people assume that paying for the race includes being cleaned up after. not saying it is right, but i think that might contribute.

i usually use a gel flask for most stuff. unfortunately i will not be able to for D-ville AM WC so my plan is to tuck the empty wrappers into my shorts... we will see how that works out...
 

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i think it is likely that at least some people assume that paying for the race includes being cleaned up after. not saying it is right, but i think that might contribute.
First I don't use gels.
The promoter does have to walk the course and take down the tape, and repair damage caused by the racers.

Maybe if you toss a wrapper, you can go pick one up too?
I've heard of races having designated spots to toss garbage in feed zones so they don't have to search the whole course for garbage.

What really kills me is gel wrappers on local trails Who are these people who think their garbage will magically disappear from the trails? No on I know.
 

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yeah... i too hate seeing garbage on the trails and have been known to pick it up and cart it out. i try to give the benefit of the doubt... i figure they were trying to stash the trash and might not even have known it got away from them.

gel flasks are the bomb though. maybe i can find a holster for one that will keep it on the strap of my camelbak for D-ville. (dunno if it will fit in a cell phone holder...)
 

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It is ugly to see those things littering the trail.
I always try to stick them back in my jersey pocket...but....
After the race, I take the empty packs out of the pocket so they don't weld themselves in there.....I hate when they aren't there. which means I missed and I'm as guilty as the next guy.
 

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It's really irritating seeing racers drop gel packs on the race course - where they might be picked by the promoter's staff or by good willed recreational riders.
But it's much,much more irritating seeing racers throw stuff (gel packs, empty waterbottles, CO2 cartidges) in the woods where they will litter for years.
 

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maybe i can find a holster for one that will keep it on the strap of my camelbak for D-ville. (dunno if it will fit in a cell phone holder...)
There's this: http://www.profile-design.com/fuelbelt/accessories/gel-flask-holder/ (can't vouch for it though, usually keep my gel flask in my jersey pocket). I've seen other gel flask cages too.

Only problem with flasks is making sure the top is sealed before it goes back in your pocket; otherwise it gets very messy when you sit down after a race, especially on your wife's leather car seats!

I usually give the benefit of doubt when I see an empty gel-packet on the ground. When I catch someone red-handed though (happens often enough) I usually give out to them- that type of behaviour is totally unacceptable.
 

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Hunters and hikers are usually very good about keeping it litter free, it is the cyclists around here (Southern California) that are the big litterbugs typically. Cycling is considered a "right wing" sport, and the stereotype rings true, I am afraid.
 

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Hunters and hikers are usually very good about keeping it litter free, it is the cyclists around here (Southern California) that are the big litterbugs typically. Cycling is considered a "right wing" sport, and the stereotype rings true, I am afraid.
That's a rediculous statement! If you are talking the political right wing, nothing I can think of is more right wing than hunting and you say hunters don't litter. OTHO hiking is very left wing and they don't litter. As a right wing person I see mountian biking leaning far more to the left than right.

So what I'm trying to say is it's not a right wing / left wing issue. It's an issue of training. Hikers and hunters are taught "Leave no trace, take only pictures, leave only footprints" from the very begining. When are mountian bikers given a similar education? I suspect many mountian bikers come from the extreme sports side of the tracks which, from what I've seen, doesn't place too much emphasis on "following the rules".

Obviously, there will be accidently dropped packets, but if you're not racing there is no excuse for not stopping and picking it up.
 

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I was joking- It's funny because the assumptions with political views are so rampant. Cycling around here is pretty apolitical, which is very nice, nothing worse than politics to mess up a ride.

As to litter.............yesterday I was freediving off the coast and found a plastic label floating, I stuffed it in my wetsuit. Freedivers and Spearfishermen have an unwritten code about litter, we don't discard waste, and if we see it, we have to pick it up. I would think that Mountain Bikers would not litter.
 

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I cycle through a wildlife management area daily and I'm sorry to say that where I live, "The Sportsman's Paradise," hunters litter, a lot. It makes me sick, but what else can you expect from people who are essentially draining the environment of resources for fun? Leave no trace my foot, my ATV tracks, my overgrown 4x4 pickup, Milwaukee's Best cans, Doritos bags, and spent shells.

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I was joking- It's funny because the assumptions with political views are so rampant. Cycling around here is pretty apolitical, which is very nice, nothing worse than politics to mess up a ride.

As to litter.............yesterday I was freediving off the coast and found a plastic label floating, I stuffed it in my wetsuit. Freedivers and Spearfishermen have an unwritten code about litter, we don't discard waste, and if we see it, we have to pick it up. I would think that Mountain Bikers would not litter.
 

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I cycle through a wildlife management area daily and I'm sorry to say that where I live, "The Sportsman's Paradise," hunters litter, a lot. It makes me sick, but what else can you expect from people who are essentially draining the environment of resources for fun? Leave no trace my foot, my ATV tracks, my overgrown 4x4 pickup, Milwaukee's Best cans, Doritos bags, and spent shells.
Don't forget the cigarette butts. For some reason smokers seem to think that they can litter anywhere and everywhere.
 

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I cycle through a wildlife management area daily and I'm sorry to say that where I live, "The Sportsman's Paradise," hunters litter, a lot. It makes me sick, but what else can you expect from people who are essentially draining the environment of resources for fun? Leave no trace my foot, my ATV tracks, my overgrown 4x4 pickup, Milwaukee's Best cans, Doritos bags, and spent shells.
You're obviously have an anti-hunting bone to pick, but regardless, hunters are as a group more responsible for wilderness preservation than any other group in the US, by a long shot. They are also typically very concerned with the land and management, and litter very little. If you do see those things in the fall (when the hunting season is open), then it is likely you just have one group of bad apples using that land, as it certainly isn't indicative of hunters as a group. I can almost guaruntee that some of what you see (beer cans?), has nothing to do with hunters using that land, but because of the anti-hunting bias you expressed, you want to assign blame to the undeserving.

BTW, what resource is being drained by hunters "for fun"? If you disagree with the harvesting of wild game for substinence, then how is that considered a resource for anybody? If game is a resource, what species of wild game is being "drained" by hunters today? Which wild population isn't increasing, which is largely due to wildlife preservation by hunting groups (NWTF etc.)?
 

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Around here it's fishermen....the lake shore is littered with packaging from lures and line, tangles of fishing line, styrofoam worm cups. Our bike trails are virtually litter free, but if I do see trash I stop and grab it.

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I was stunned at a race last year when I saw an incredible amount of gel packets on the ground. What stunned me is, first, why I never saw any at prior races, two, how can mountain bikers could do such things (trails are pretty much always litter free around here) and three, why didn't I have any gel to help my bonked self that day! :p Weird thing, I haven't seen much at races after that one so I like to think we are not that bad as a whole... I use either a gel flask or Gel-bot bottles...
 
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