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Descend 20% faster without going faster!

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So I'm out ot town on holiday for the week and there's this gnarly 1400 ft descent. It's a natural style old hiking trail with steeps, massive root and embedded rock gardens, tight and steep switch backs and silly off cambers.

I'm going to be here for a week. So it's a good opportunity to hit the track a few times to see how much better I can get at it. I decide not to increase the crazy factor. I decide to focus on line choice.

How much faster can I get simply by choosing different lines?

My first run down the track is 20 mins.
A few days and sessions later I crack out a 16 min descent.....
Line choice had given me a 20% faster time with actually pushing my limits any further. In truth improved line choice me is less on the edge and that didn't knowp the track me.

Discuss.
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mtb 101 line choice

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You may not be pushing your own reaction limits as much as you did on the first run, but you are traveling at a higher average speed so you have to be asking more of the equipment at some points.
Why pick the lesser lines on the first run? :)
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It's not that simple, your skills aren't going to allow you to ride as perfectly as you can with practice, so I'd expect the improvement coming from practicing and memorizing the course, which includes fine-tuning line, and not necessarily line choice alone. Even pros have local advantage at races, I think for lower-level riders it makes even more of a difference.
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line choice is looking as far ahead as possible
and trusting you don't need to look at what you are currently on
do this as much as limits allow and actively think about it
you and bike will rail thru... brain ready to react
Could be as simply as better riding conditions also! Hero dirt or drier!
Though it would have to be a pretty big difference in conditions to account for that much time!
Faster riders brake less.

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Is that because of line choice? Maybe

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mtb 101 line choice

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You joke, but remember Reese Wilson's run at Les Gets 2021, before the huge crash? He was taking all these odd line choices and just falling off the pace like a rock. What was he, like 6 seconds back when he went flying?
Riding blind is definitely hard. And I definitely go faster on things after I get a few laps under my belt.

Mostly because I find myself safety braking before blind turns/obstacles, not sending things fully/taking ride arounds so I can check out the landings/rollouts, etc. But further progression does definitely happen with more laps.

Almost like it would be better to compare the 2-3rd lap and forward than the exact first.
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Riding blind is definitely hard. And I definitely go faster on things after I get a few laps under my belt.

Mostly because I find myself safety braking before blind turns/obstacles, not sending things fully/taking ride arounds so I can check out the landings/rollouts, etc. But further progression does definitely happen with more laps.

Almost like it would be better to compare the 2-3rd lap and forward than the exact first.
Yeah simply put, if the first time you ride the trail at 80% then the 20th time at 80% ... your 80% will get faster.

Mathematically, you're either riding at a higher average speed or the line choice nets a distance that is somehow 20% shorter.
Why is your fastest time descending a measure of success?

I descended for the fun, I often stop and do repeats on features, I’m solely riding to maximize fun.

Going fast can be fun, but I’m not gonna waste my ride skipping the good stuff.

Perhaps the OP is talking about road biking?
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One of the tips that a racer gave me was that the vertical distance of obstacles and holes (undulations) also were worth minimizing, or at least considering, when trying to figure out the fastest line. Think it was in a video interview of Gee Atherton when he was racing at Fontana's Southridge winter racing series. Ensuring that I added this dimension into my calculations totally upped by game by a huge amount.

The pinkbike Line Choice guy covered it too. His tutorial is super high production. The AfterEffects editor guy really was able to help visualize his meanings. Highly recommended.
line choice is not what I would put as the biggest contributor to this.

there have been a few places with descents short enough that I could essentially session the whole thing. what made a given run faster? riding it smoother. less variation between max speed and min speed. that typically meant my top speeds were lower, but it also meant my min speeds were faster.

If I tried to go balls-out and just "go fast" that typically meant my average speeds would be slower because even though my top speeds would be faster, there'd be spots where I'd brake more/harder and wind up going slower overall. and since speeding up takes more time and effort on top of it, it brings the average down. sometimes line choice is involved here, but at least as important, if not moreso, is how you're riding a given line. are you dipping into your toolbox of skills optimally? are there skills you're missing, or are weak on, that hold you back?

what did I learn from all that? not much, really. sometimes it's fun to go balls-out on a section. but sometimes it's fun to dial it back and do a super clean, smooth run. I also ride for fun. so I don't really give anything more than passing interest to my downhill speeds.
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I don't think it's all line choice, although obviously that can make massive differences. There is a lot to be said for familiarity. When you get stronger and lift heavier weights in the gym, it's not soley an increase in muscle mass or your laser focus that does it. Strength gains can be from nervous system adaptation where your body learns through practice how to be more efficient.

If it's downhill and your fitness isn't as much of the engine as gravity and terrain are, I'd agree with other posters that your repetition has given you some gains from knowing when to brake, how long to brake, and what speeds to carry into sections.

It's how the same old trails we've ridden can keep seeing PRs. At a certain point each of us have reached or will reach a plateau with our fitness, but it's that constant grind of improving efficiency from repetition that lets us shave a second here or there. It probably isn't even conscious. We've ridden a trail so many times that our bodies just adapt to all of the physical parts and puts itself on auto-pilot for most of what was sensory overload as we paid attention to every detail and spent time making decisions on the first laps we ever took.

That familiarity allows our conscious mind to process other things that might not have had enough room to be processed if it weren't for familiarity, and we can make better choices on things that might make even more improvements.
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Why is your fastest time descending a measure of success?

Because pr's. Even better trophies. Even more better a crown! Duh.
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You can lose weight if you just do this one thing.
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What does "pushing your limits" even mean? Some of my fastest times and best race stages come with a feeling of calm on the bike. Picking good lines often leads to being smooth, and feeling less hectic than a run that you're sure was pinned.
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