I heard they were partnering with a major motorcycle brake mfg for these. Using the stock pads is really nice. I hope they do 180mm and 160mm as well.bmadau said:Just read a little article in the new Decline while in the can abouut Push Ind. releasing new Ti 8" rotors for Hayes applications. The claim that these rotors will take 100g off "a stock Hayes 8-inch disk." They are supposed to be treated with a "proprietary metal spray process that does not require special pads or an irregular setup."