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I have narrowed down my new bike to either to a few bikes. Of the hardtails, I cannot decide between a Dean Colonel Ti frame or Gunnar Rockhound. I am sure both are great but is there one that would be clearly preferable?

I would be using this bike for entry into XC racing, but perhaps moreso for a weekly ride(s) with friends that have XC Race hardtails that is very fast paced on relatively non technical rides. I also think having a tru XC bike would be great and improve my riding skills overall not to mention, allow me to see if I really can beat my friends up these long climbs ;)

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Interesting....

FoShizzle said:
I have narrowed down my new bike to either to a few bikes. Of the hardtails, I cannot decide between a Dean Colonel Ti frame or Gunnar Rockhound. I am sure both are great but is there one that would be clearly preferable?

I would be using this bike for entry into XC racing, but perhaps moreso for a weekly ride(s) with friends that have XC Race hardtails that is very fast paced on relatively non technical rides. I also think having a tru XC bike would be great and improve my riding skills overall not to mention, allow me to see if I really can beat my friends up these long climbs ;)

Cheers
It is fascinating that hardtail-related posts solicit not a gingle response......are they now that boring to people in light of the advent of "good" full-suspension bikes?

I guess I will have to flip a coin on this one...

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FoShizzle said:
It is fascinating that hardtail-related posts solicit not a gingle response......are they now that boring to people in light of the advent of "good" full-suspension bikes?

I guess I will have to flip a coin on this one...

Cheers
Hey - just read your post. Being a Dean dealer, I'm more than a little biased, but I'd go with the Dean. Both steel and ti have good mettalurgical properties and ride properties but I prefer the execution on the Dean. I'll qualify this to say that I've not ridden the Gunnar. I have read reviews that it's a good all around riding bike, if not a bit flexy on the larger sizes due to tubing spec. I'm sure you've done your research, though.

I know John and Jesse and the guys at Dean and they're a fantastic crew to work with. Every bike is made to order - they don't have stock sitting around. Custom geometry and extras are a tad extra $$, but the bike is being made for you, specifically. In addition, you can have an option of stickers and finishes on the frame. Ride quality on the Dean is top notch. I know firsthand that they've got a solid crew of superfast racers out on their XC bikes, tearing it up on the CO race scene. The bike's handling is dialed.

Also consider an Ionic Steelhead. Same attention to detail as the Dean (same factory) but it's a little more along the price lines of the Gunnar.

Good luck with it. Let me know if I can help you out.
 

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I've got a steel hardtail now

and I'm lusting after a Ti one.

So, between the Colonel and the Rockhound, I'd get the Colonel if I had the coin...
 

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and I'm lusting after a Ti one.

So, between the Colonel and the Rockhound, I'd get the Colonel if I had the coin...
The last Dean I had in (sold last week), I went down to Dean to pick up. I've got to tell you, I left feeling pretty jazzed. You can tell by meeting the Dean guys that they really care about their bikes and the folks riding them. You can see the passion in their eyes and you can hear it when they talk. I could tell that every guy there enjoyed what he was doing. That's definitely an intangible asset that comes thru in their bikes. They're good folks to do business with, and they build a heck of a cool bike.
 

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FoShizzle said:
I have narrowed down my new bike to either to a few bikes. Of the hardtails, I cannot decide between a Dean Colonel Ti frame or Gunnar Rockhound. I am sure both are great but is there one that would be clearly preferable?

I would be using this bike for entry into XC racing, but perhaps moreso for a weekly ride(s) with friends that have XC Race hardtails that is very fast paced on relatively non technical rides. I also think having a tru XC bike would be great and improve my riding skills overall not to mention, allow me to see if I really can beat my friends up these long climbs ;)

Cheers
Ti has a higher lust factor for certain, but steel is real...probably just go with what you have more passion for. Here is the Gunnar I once had:

<img src="https://light-bikes.com/BikePhotos//mtb/ncj01_b.jpg">
 

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ignazjr said:
Hey - just read your post. Being a Dean dealer, I'm more than a little biased, but I'd go with the Dean. Both steel and ti have good mettalurgical properties and ride properties but I prefer the execution on the Dean. I'll qualify this to say that I've not ridden the Gunnar. I have read reviews that it's a good all around riding bike, if not a bit flexy on the larger sizes due to tubing spec. I'm sure you've done your research, though.

I know John and Jesse and the guys at Dean and they're a fantastic crew to work with. Every bike is made to order - they don't have stock sitting around. Custom geometry and extras are a tad extra $$, but the bike is being made for you, specifically. In addition, you can have an option of stickers and finishes on the frame. Ride quality on the Dean is top notch. I know firsthand that they've got a solid crew of superfast racers out on their XC bikes, tearing it up on the CO race scene. The bike's handling is dialed.

Also consider an Ionic Steelhead. Same attention to detail as the Dean (same factory) but it's a little more along the price lines of the Gunnar.

Good luck with it. Let me know if I can help you out.
Thanks for the very good advice...I appreciate it. I will follow up some more when I return from Europe........boy I wish I brought my bike!!!! I am an Idiot!!!

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check out the ionic bike website...

ionic is dean (there is a link at dean's homepage), they make steel frames under the ionic name. if you look in their specials page, you'll see they have some ti frames @ $800. ask john about the frames. they might have been made for another company by dean. the frames also have disc tabs and (if i remember correctly) have s-bend stays...you'll be able to run a wider tire in the rear IF you ever need to.

colonels are pretty sweet frames. i ride a steel kelly 29er now, and have been looking at a custom colonel, but it won't be for awhile. i also have other builders in mind. i have a 2003 dean duke (in the marketplace, size xl) frame, the finish is top notch, right up there with seven, moots, etc.

dean makes great frames, the value is amazing. but, beware, they might tell you you'll have to wait 6-8 weeks for your frame, but they have lied to alot of people on this. many people have waited close to 20 weeks for frame. i was quoted 6, but i think it took about 8 weeks for my duke (which is acceptable).

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FoShizzle said:
I have narrowed down my new bike to either to a few bikes. Of the hardtails, I cannot decide between a Dean Colonel Ti frame or Gunnar Rockhound. I am sure both are great but is there one that would be clearly preferable?

I would be using this bike for entry into XC racing, but perhaps moreso for a weekly ride(s) with friends that have XC Race hardtails that is very fast paced on relatively non technical rides. I also think having a tru XC bike would be great and improve my riding skills overall not to mention, allow me to see if I really can beat my friends up these long climbs ;)

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I hear you on the HT interest,

FoShizzle said:
I have narrowed down my new bike to either to a few bikes. Of the hardtails, I cannot decide between a Dean Colonel Ti frame or Gunnar Rockhound. I am sure both are great but is there one that would be clearly preferable?

I would be using this bike for entry into XC racing, but perhaps moreso for a weekly ride(s) with friends that have XC Race hardtails that is very fast paced on relatively non technical rides. I also think having a tru XC bike would be great and improve my riding skills overall not to mention, allow me to see if I really can beat my friends up these long climbs ;)

Cheers
there is little love for the hardtail. Plenty of nasty 5 inch plus travel disc brake porkers for rides in our imagination but for riding in the real world less travel is faster.
I've also narrowed my choices down to the Gunnar Rockhound, IF steel Deluxe and Intense Spyder, I've always liked the Dean but a lot more money than the RockHound. How about the Jamis Dragon? It would be on my list but there doesn't seem to be any to be had in my area.
 

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there is little love for the hardtail. Plenty of nasty 5 inch plus travel disc brake porkers for rides in our imagination but for riding in the real world less travel is faster.
I've also narrowed my choices down to the Gunnar Rockhound, IF steel Deluxe and Intense Spyder, I've always liked the Dean but a lot more money than the RockHound. How about the Jamis Dragon? It would be on my list but there doesn't seem to be any to be had in my area.
well said....I notice you have 1 full suspension on your list, I do to. Is your motivation for this bike to race, ride faster on non technical stuff, etc..? I am also considering the Burner or perhaps a Rocky Mountain Element as they are both on a good sale at Supergo right now and I cant help but think this may be a better way for me to go since I am used to full suspension bikes and am probably a hard core girly man on a hardtail as I am completely out of touch with that type of riding. I think that at the end of the day, all components being equal, I will have a 2 lb heavier bike with the light FS frame. However, if I get a hard tail it will make more sense to my wife I think since it will not look like my other bikes at all ;)

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Thanks!

Kam said:
ionic is dean (there is a link at dean's homepage), they make steel frames under the ionic name. if you look in their specials page, you'll see they have some ti frames @ $800. ask john about the frames. they might have been made for another company by dean. the frames also have disc tabs and (if i remember correctly) have s-bend stays...you'll be able to run a wider tire in the rear IF you ever need to.

colonels are pretty sweet frames. i ride a steel kelly 29er now, and have been looking at a custom colonel, but it won't be for awhile. i also have other builders in mind. i have a 2003 dean duke (in the marketplace, size xl) frame, the finish is top notch, right up there with seven, moots, etc.

dean makes great frames, the value is amazing. but, beware, they might tell you you'll have to wait 6-8 weeks for your frame, but they have lied to alot of people on this. many people have waited close to 20 weeks for frame. i was quoted 6, but i think it took about 8 weeks for my duke (which is acceptable).

cheers!!!
Thanks for the advice. I talked with the folks at Ionic today and ordered an awesome 2003 Titanium hardtail for a mere $800!!! The geometry is perfect for me. In 2004, as I am sure you know, Ionic will not offer the Ti hardtail since it would be redundant with the Dean Colonel and will focus on the other bikes.

They were very nice to deal with and I will truly enjoy building this bike, one part at a time (1 or 2 parts per paycheck).....to be ready for race season next year.

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