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I went riding with my friends today, and the first place we went to up in the mountains was too snowy for them to ride (my Pugsley would have done great on it, it was the perfect type of snow for fat tires), so we went back down to where we live and rode for two hours in a local park.

It was a mix of mud, ice, and snow, and gravel/pavement. My friend had my 26" Cannondale hardtail, and for a while I rode it as I was letting others ride the Pugsley, and I learned that I think I cannot ride my normal bike anymore, aside from Allegrippis which has a ton of jumps and pump track style stuff.

It just didn't feel right, the "small" tires were weirding me out and I did not care for the ride quality one bit, haha.

So, that sucks. I was thinking of getting something like a Gary Fisher Rumblefish in the summer, as I've never had a full suspension bike, but I am not sure I can go back to smaller tires!

Hopefully I'll feel differently once the spring/summer hits.
 

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Once you've tried fat you never go back.
A fat trail bike would be good, for summer use, not full suss, just set up for xc / trail use.
What do people think are important components for a dry weather fat trail bike ie. wheels, bars etc. What weight?
Exept for long climbs I don't think you are at any disadvantage on a fat bike. Technical climbs and decents I'd argue that they ride better than most FS bikes. When rolling along I think that they're really quick once they get going and roll better than most once momentum is up.
A fat bike designed from ground up to be a trail bike would be awesome. I know that a lot of pureists would snarl at this but just think about it, there was once a do it all mountain bike, now theres xc, dh, dj etc. specific mountain bikes. I don't think that fat bikes should be just tagged as sand / snow bikes, they have so much more potential.
 

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...I don't think that fat bikes should be just tagged as sand / snow bikes, they have so much more potential.
Well said.

Part of the problem with "mountainbikes" is that going fast downhill rather than going places has become the dominant marketing direction.

Bikes that go fast downhill and do 'gnarly dude" type stuff need full suspension. Suspension is a wonderful thing, but adds weight and needs much more maintenance. Ever looked at the service needs of your expensive front fork - mine needs a service every 17 hours! I can't use it in a 24 hour race (when I did, it collapsed :( ).

My fatbike rides over stuff that I previously thought needed suspension - the simple suspension available from a soft fat tyre has enabled me to clean sections I have struggled with for years. What line? - any line :)

The fatbike is the true mountainbike, everything else is now a trailpark toy. :)
 

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^ I totally agree. They're simple bikes that do it all, including road. I'm planning a tour with mine. Just ordered the final upgrades for my Pugs. A ti Jones loop bar, and custom Phil 36h front hub. I still need racks and panniers, then I'm all set.
 

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Just tossing this in the mix, not saying anyone here isn't right, cause yeah, fatties rule :cool:

Have you ridden a 29er? I ride them a lot, and the fatties too. When I get back on little wheels, same experience as you had, they just feel wrong. The fatties roll like 29er wheels, just with more cush and bite in the front end.

Now I'm not suggesting you don't use your Pug for anything, but if you just have serial upgradeitis as many of us do, a 29er will allow you to maintain the feel and roll you have now, just with lighter wheels, tires etc.

Other folks have talked about the superior snow handling of the latest crop of fat bikes over the Pug, I'm curious how those thoughts will cross over to summer riding, as I agree, a trail worthy fatty is a wonderful thing....
 

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I'm curious what makes this so.

We took a look in another thread at geometry, and they are all pretty close...
Yeah, me too.

I think it may fall into the black magic/newbikeitis realm.

I know that any time I get a new bike, I'm faster, and it's sweeter than my *old* bike. ;)

A side by side with all the big players would be the best way, doubt that'd be easy to make happen though.....
 

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I have a lightweight carbon full susser which has started gathering dust since I got my Niner sir9 SS hardtail. The 29er hardtail seems just as compfy as the 110mm of travel on my 26inch FS (scott spark). Then came my fat bike (pugsley with Rohloff) and I find it compfortable on a different level again and I run about 12psi which is quite high. If I wanted to race I'd have to get out my spark, but if I just want to ride it would be my last choice in the stable. Over a whole ride there wouldn't be that much in it between any of them even though they vary about 15lbs from lightest to heaviest. On the right track each of them would excell in a different area. I think my pugs when doing what it is designed for is light years ahead of my other bikes, but I don't think that the others are as far in front of the pugs in their intended use.
So if one of the first fat bikes and probably the heaviest and cheapest is this versatile how good could a fat bike be in specialist areas ie. trials, DH, XC etc?
Before anyone says it, I know it's all about the fun and adventure with a fat bike, I agree but what if.
Has anybody ever custom built a fat bike with xc or trail mountain bike geometry? how would it ride?
 

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Would a light 28 lbs fatbike be any better than a 38 lbs Pugsley on most beach/snow conditions?...doubt it to most riders, maybe on trails with climbs etc...
Agree on 29ers being ace bikes, miles better than a fatbike for trails, ,esp man made trailcentres here in the UK, but fatbikes can ride regular trails while 29ers or 26" regular bikes wont ride soft sand and snow :thumbsup:

If you spend the same amount as a complete pugsley costs on just a Ti fatbike frame then of course your going to have to justify it and say its better!, maybe it is, but at a big price... But its too big a price outside the USA/Canada for most once postage and import tax is paid... thought we all probably would like one,

Said it before but when this forum starts splitting into one fatbike bike being better than another and the more you spend the better it is etc, then im out of here...
Every other bike forum and bike magazine is like that,
Its about what you do that counts :)
show me a monster wheelie film on a Ti fatbike ;)
 

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OK, some thoughts. I built up a Fatback for use in southern NM, riding arroyos and regular trails. USC 100's with Larrys.

1) Suspension. Yes. The fatties cushion the shock, but you still get hit. I'm still running around 8-9psi, so lower pressure may help. I note that the front doesn't seem to be as much of an issue as the rear. I also ride a Surly Karate Monkey full rigid, so I'm not a complete wuss whining for a couch ride.

2) General trail handling. Yes. No problems. Plus, the trail is optional. Miss a corner and run out into the soft edge? So? Doesn't even slow you down.

3) Climbing. This setup has so much traction! Climbs that I would lose momentum and stall due to spinouts/etc become a problem with shifting weight far enough forward to prevent wheelies.

4) Steering issues: Riding a local little canyon that has a very irregular rocky floor - I had a struggle because the front would get traction along the side and want to steer that way. Especially notable when braking. Still doable (760mm width bars help), but the one notable place where the fatty was worse than my 29ers.
 

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I'm not meaning for it to be about money or comparrisons of what's best, more what's possible. Unfortunately what's possible at the moment comes down to custom builds and lots of money, but if fat bikes ever did catch on there's no reason you couldn't produce reasonably priced fat bikes designed for stuff other than snow or sand.
I bought my pugs for winter riding to allow me to go places easier than on my single speed but still have low maintenance. Winter is gone and I'm still using pugs all the time and don't see that changing.
Where I live I don't ride on sand and only rarely have snow, I was merely trying to provoke suggestions and ideas of how to gear up a fat bike for other riding aspects.
I think I'm talking too much, point taken.
sorry.
 

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Wadester.

What tires do you run? the Larry's are supposed to track a lot better than endo's. I find the same problem, the tire grips and drags you off to one side especially on technical climbs or when in vheicle tracks. I intend on trying a larry upfront to see if it helps, if not I think it's like riding any bike, you have to learn its ways.
 

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Not a dig at you at all moose but all of us in general, including me! :)
we all love riding these bikes and maybe sometimes we expect too much of them,
Ive decided that my 29er is better for regular trails as out the saddle a big squirmy tyre just dosnt feel right but if it came down to one bike only?,
have to be a fatbike even if harder work on Tarmac...
just makes me so happy when out riding! :thumbsup:
 

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coastkid71 said:
Not a dig at you at all moose but all of us in general, including me! :)
we all love riding these bikes and maybe sometimes we expect too much of them,
Ive decided that my 29er is better for regular trails as out the saddle a big squirmy tyre just dosnt feel right but if it came down to one bike only?,
have to be a fatbike even if harder work on Tarmac...
just makes me so happy when out riding! :thumbsup:
Too right CK :thumbsup:

Grin-o-meter is off the scale when I`m Puggin` about :D

You can literally ride anywhere (if you have the legs ! )

I`ve got 29ers as well, but I still reach for the Pug before anything else.
 

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Hi Doc :)
I would sell my Uber V frameset tomorrow if i could find a buyer as have no interest in riding it now...i only ride it to go riding with good friends who dont have a fattie...
In fact i was just thinking today how far removed i am from the `main stream` marketing of mountainbiking nowadays,
I dont buy MTB mags, mostly i only comment on fatbike related stuff on forums,
I do not own or have an interest in the latest must have-do everything full suspension mtb with (unnessecerry) multi pivot linkage, and taper headset (what is that P*** all about? :D ) which dosnt do much more than i can do on my steel 29er with cheapy Suntour fork,
The mainstream companys are just making new stuff for the sake of marketing...

And im now riding a steel fatbike with just fat tyres for suspension,which weighs 38 lbs or more,which complete cost the price of say an Orange 5 framset,
Yet im loving going out riding it and having more fun than any other bike owned and i have never been happier since riding my first mtb back in 1987 and discovering what was possible to ride,
I have no intention or need for anything better and now i look at spending my spare money on other stuff like outdoor clothing and maps & books etc...
I must be a marketing nightmare for the bike industry :D

Last time i saw fellow pug owner Gary B we both said how hard it is to explain to folk how much fun it is to ride these bikes... you really have to just try it for yourself :thumbsup:

anyway on with the thread!
 

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Hey CK :)

So much of what you`ve written above applies to me too !

Don`t buy any Mags as nothing in them interests me.

I still (occasionally) go in bike shops, but am always disappointed at the choice and horrified by the prices :eek:

My idea of what is `normal` regarding bikes, is`nt really (and I LIKE it that way) !

If I do buy bike stuff, I tend to buy second hand (pre-loved) or off the Net.

Even my Pug is `second user`.

I love Fat Tyres and the FUN they bring :thumbsup:

Keep on rollin` it Fat side down,

Cheers,
Dr FG :D
 
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