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Yeah, there is some definite misalignment of the facts there. Also, all of the talk about pedal bob is pretty ridiculous. At the end of the day, the Bionicon is a single pivot. While the adjustable geometry and travel is sort of neat, single pivots will still suffer from more bob and brake jack than some other designs.
 

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Yeah, there is some definite misalignment of the facts there.
Yeah, more like "FastAndLoose.com"

Red flags went up at the start when they claimed suspension was for sore asses, or something like that.

Also thought that fork in the video was "bobbing" pretty durn badly, er, that is to say, in a good way.
 

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Facts just get in the way of the true objective .
 

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This whole piece is a classic example of a lazy writer not learning their subject, but I particularly like this sentence:

"Companies like Fox addressed bob by developing shocks with complex dampening valves (below) that tried to deaden small shock strokes while remaining sensitive to big impacts."

My Fox fork dampened itself pretty bad when a seal went south, which dampened my spirits. Then my LBS fixed it and my fork damping is now as it's 'sposed to be :rolleyes:
 

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We will see how long my comment stays up there. I'm no fan of Bionicon bikes simply because they make too many suspension compramises. The adjustable travel thing is pretty neat and it does work, but the quality of travel is poor and there are simply vastly better suspension systems (in terms of absorbing bumps and providing pedaling performance) out there.
 

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Wow, that was pretty freakin lame. I haven't been able to throw a leg over one yet, but I've heard mixed reviews about the bikes. That Revelation was really bobby, but I'm thinking it was some monkey just standing up and smashing the pedals.

And the other question I have is why would I want to loose suspension travel on the back when I'm going downhill? Seams counter intuitive to me!

Whole article was more than a little bit lopsided and very poorly researched.

happy trails...

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NMPhi767 said:
Yeah, there is some definite misalignment of the facts there. Also, all of the talk about pedal bob is pretty ridiculous. At the end of the day, the Bionicon is a single pivot. While the adjustable geometry and travel is sort of neat, single pivots will still suffer from more bob and brake jack than some other designs.
Not just that it's a single pivot, but it's a single pivot with 3 rings up front (big gear range) and it HAS to use a propriety air-shock. Every one that I've demoed has resulted in "fail". Due to the quality of suspension and somewhat slack geometry my 6" RFX was way better at descending than the 8" Ironwood, and of course my 35lb RFX pedaled uphill much better due to the traction provided by a more active rear end and coil sprung suspension, also with the ETA feature on my 66 I could drop the front end like on the Bionicon. It's not that the Ironwood totally sucked, it rode, it "adjusted", but my lesser-travel bike at a similer weight did everything better. There's a lot out there these days that will outperform Bionicon.
 
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