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Alright-first let me admit I'm more on the trail side of all-mountain but none-the-less, I to desire a relatively bullit proof bike that can take abuse and still pedal uphill reasonably well (you know, the holy grail of mountain biking).

My recent thoughts:

1. Looking to get a custom steel hard tail built on the strong end of things w/ 69 degree or so HA-from someone reputable (getting a real good feeling about Thylacine I might add)

2. or-try one of the stand-by all-mountain hardtails-thinking maybe the much loved Sinister Ridge w/ a pike.

Anyone using anything like this? Thoughts?
Then again, I might go with the dually afterall-looking at the Iron Horse MKIII or 6 point series-I have ridden the mk's a fair bit-they pedal well (worry a little about reliability).

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Unfluid One has a Sinister. You might check with him regarding its use vs. his full suspension El Terremoto.
 

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that's my bike you are depicting... it was welded by one of my friends, who lives in france and who may one day start building bikes for others, but right now he only does it for friends...
the geometry without sag:

with 25% sag (pike 140mm fork):

the bike itself:


it is a all mountain hardtail, i plan to use it for allmost anything: technical xc, DH, freeride. it takes the place of a yeti 575.
i also own a singlespeed voodoo wanga, more XC oriented, and a road fixie for around paris transportation...

in action:

front view:

after a steep step:

just riding in fontainebleau, near paris, france...
 

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oh, i forgot: to have something really sturdy but light, we used oversized colombus zona (not ultra light life, but good double butted tubes) tubing, with paragon light sliding dropouts (to be able to go singlespeed, and also to get the right chainstay length: 425mm usually, 420mm for twisty singletrack, 430mm for hardtail DH use), the head tube is a tandem one (no ovalization for me!), the bottom bracket shell is a tandem one, and we doubled the seat tube and used a wishbone:
 

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before paint:

the weight:



So i have only one thing to say: choose a custom steel steed, you won't regret it!!!

and i thing thylacine is a good choice, but there are so many good builders (i really like coconino)
 

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Sweet looking HT Cyrus.

When I saw the thread title the first thing that crossed my mind is that allmountain hardtail is an oxymoron, but after seeing your bike I have opened my eyes and now believe the Am HT does exist.

Full sus all the way for me; I'm spoiled and I know it.
 

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OK, so this isn't really what you'd call an all mountain HT, but it's clearly more trail oriented than pure hard nosed XC. I'd thought I'd post this as you're interested in Thylacine. Colombus tubing (largely zona from memory), Paragon sliding dropouts (Rohloff specific). 70 degree HT. Behaves very nicely going both up and downhill. The stem in the photo was just for fitting things up before I got hold of a Thomson.

If you've got the money the Rohloff is worth considering. Plenty has been said about them elsewhere, but if you have all mountain tendencies it's worth pointing out you can build a nice strong dishless rear wheel with a Rohloff. I was kind of stuck with an XTR crankset so I have a 44 T chainring, but by running a 34-38T chainring (as most do) with the Rohloff you also get a bit more clearance. I use a 17 T hub sprocket to get the gears I need.

Warwick is a good bloke to deal with - has stacks of time for customers. We corresponded a lot (many phone calls and emails) before settling on a final design.
 

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Tons of options out there in production along with the Ridge you mentioned.

If you want steel have a look at the Evil Sovereign, or the one of the Chromag bikes.

Or there is also the Cotic Soul, the On One Inbred 456, and the Dialled bikes frame (can't remember the name of that one)

I'm probably forgetting a few.

Oh yeah in fact I am.

DMR has the Switchback
Santa Cruz has the Chameleon
I think Mountain Cycle still has the Rumble

There may be even more.

That custom one above is really sharp though!!! Wow!
 

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First of All-wow!-I love the photos this thread engendered!-CYRUS, The home-made vagabond is a fantastic looking bike-your french friend got's some talent (The rusty color is mint, too-who painted your frame???). The geometry is darn close to what I envision as perfect.

Tyson, The Thylacine is a winner too-and yeah-I'd love to get a rohloff-but getting a custom frame pushes my biking budget as it is-I'll be running external gears for the forseeable future I'm Afraid (and yes, sadly, I'm into gears on a bike). The shot of it in the snow is reassuring however--as a longtime (only) xc short travel DUAL-Sususpension rider-I'll need the dampness of steal (and yeah again-ti might be better-but good ti is out of the budget)--but living in New england and riding year round does make me worry a little about corrosion and rust on a ferrous frameset! How's your thylacine handling the elementts???

Thanks for the photos and the the thoughts-keep 'em coming-the look of burlier all-use steel hardtails is seductive.
 

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Dobermann? Chromag?

SuperbMan said:
Alright-first let me admit I'm more on the trail side of all-mountain but none-the-less, I to desire a relatively bullit proof bike that can take abuse and still pedal uphill reasonably well (you know, the holy grail of mountain biking).

My recent thoughts:

1. Looking to get a custom steel hard tail built on the strong end of things w/ 69 degree or so HA-from someone reputable (getting a real good feeling about Thylacine I might add)

2. or-try one of the stand-by all-mountain hardtails-thinking maybe the much loved Sinister Ridge w/ a pike.

Anyone using anything like this? Thoughts?
Then again, I might go with the dually afterall-looking at the Iron Horse MKIII or 6 point series-I have ridden the mk's a fair bit-they pedal well (worry a little about reliability).

Thanks
Check out this thread for a custom Dobermann. Or how about a Chromag like this?
 

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Wow I love the stance of your bike cyrus, very nice indeed! There’s something I really dig about the look of bikes with a high front end and radically sloping top tube. :thumbsup:

I really like the look of scrublover’s Peyto Wild Bill too. See any of his awesome ride reports for action shots. ;)

I’m definitely biased because I love Warwick's work, but I’d love to see what he could come up with for a seriously tough AM orientated hard tail. :D

Dave.
 

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The Sinister is an awesome bike as you probably heard of. I was in the same boat of whether to get a custom steel frame built.. but depending on ur riding, I would be SO paranoid about crashing and damaging the frame. Roadbike... absolutely yes for full custom. Maybe for XC too.. but I tend to crash once I put on a 6" fork up front.
As others mentioned.. there's Chromag and Evil out there. Maybe even contact Dobermann which is primarily a DJ/street frame company, but they have done some other projects with "bigger" frames and they look clean and sleek..

The custom frames above look super nice too!

BTW I am running a 150mm Z1 on my Ridge.. and will be swapping it out for a 100mm Argyle 318 to be low and long on the trail rides, and at home on the DJs. It is very versatile...
 
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...the Cotic Soul, the On One Inbred 456, and the Dialled bikes frame...
The Soul is more XC than AM, steeper angles, and lightweight build - I had one but the frame broke and I got Cotic's burlier steel frame the BFe. The Dialled Bikes frame you are thinking of will be the Prince Albert, which is incredibly tough. On-One are currently virtually giving away the 456 at the moment; they're selling them for £149 which is about $300.

Shame that Sinister and Chromag are so expensive in the UK!
 

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Check out this thread for a custom Dobermann.
LOL. That's funny, you beat me to that. :p

I did go through with the bike (obviously). It's currently sitting at home, along with all the pictures of the frame, waiting for the build to arrive. UPS' tracking number is claiming that all the components, minus the wheels, will be here tomorrow. Honestly, I don't have a clue how it rides... but I know it looks amazing! Dobermann exceeded my expectations. If this bike rides as good as it looks, it's going to be a very sweet ride.
 

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LOL. That's funny, you beat me to that. :p

I did go through with the bike (obviously). It's currently sitting at home, along with all the pictures of the frame, waiting for the build to arrive. UPS' tracking number is claiming that all the components, minus the wheels, will be here tomorrow. Honestly, I don't have a clue how it rides... but I know it looks amazing! Dobermann exceeded my expectations. If this bike rides as good as it looks, it's going to be a very sweet ride.
We need a full ride report when you get that custom Dob built up:thumbsup:. I know what it's like to have to wait for a bike:eek:.
 

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I noticed that Frank the Welder (currently welding Sinister bikes) is offering design services: (assuming this is legit)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150143824169

I've been pondering a hardtail and this thread has listed most of the frames I've considered. I think the chromag samurai, sinister ridge are my front runners (the Peyto would be right there if still offered, and I love the sovereign but the 16" seat tube doesn't cut it for me). I haven't given much thought to full custom due to the perceived cost but perhaps with my height I should be. Another rugged but inexpensive option is the Transition Vagrant.

Heatstroke: Your Xacd bike is interesting, any pictures of it built? First time I have heard of them...quick web search revealed they are chinese, so communication was totally via email/phone etc?
 

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How about a Soul Cycle Titan? I built this up a few weeks ago and have been shaking her down a bit since then. Great bike and has been holding up to my 210 lb carcass really well so far. The only think I don't like is that I'm 6'1" and ordered a 15.5"... With a 330 mm post I can't get the seat high enough to get a good full leg extension on the climbs, but she feels GREAT coming back down. :thumbsup:
 

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I've been riding a simialr bike for a couple of years now...

It's a Prince Albert made by Dialbikes out of England. Steel HT designed for 130mm fork. it's about a 69 deg head angle. Currently its built up to be as a SS. Very fun bike.
 

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