Christine said:Maybe the moderators can move this to the correct forum.
Took me a couple of years to become comfortable with the idea that no god exists, and now I'm fine with it. I happen to think that many (not all!) people who believe in God, are just afraid NOT to.
Sure, there's a lot of mystery to life, like why was I born into this body and situation? What is the universe all about? But I sure don't think it was one supreme being responsible for it all.
The concept of God gives people comfort and strength, which is fine. I just replaced the concept with that of faith in myself and my resources.
Christine said:Do you really think EVERYbody's going to Heaven?
Why would I continue to worship a God who's only going to refuse me admittance to Heaven for having premarital sex/using contraception, when everything else I do is good and moral?
People think it's like branding themselves, when they say they're Catholic. As if that alone makes them better people.
People like you scare me.ArmySlowRdr said:People like you "scare" me. I wonder if many that share your belief feel they can violate society's norms--because--well -. hey---it really is not going to matter at the end. It really is just all about me and there will be no one to answer to or even a me to be judged.
Oh no matter---I believe ALL will be "saved" from the eternal damnation of hell anyway. Now for the non-creator/savior type of thinking folk maybe there really will be nothingness---just especially for them though. An utter ultimate destruction without pain or suffering.
I'm gonna say that that's probably not what Christine meant. Not all people stay within society's norms just because they fear punishment in the afterlife. Many are good people because they feel that they owe it to themselves and others around them to be good people. I have no problem with religious people, but those who judge others because of their religious beliefs are no different from racists or sexists.ArmySlowRdr said:People like you "scare" me. I wonder if many that share your belief feel they can violate society's norms--because--well -. hey---it really is not going to matter at the end. It really is just all about me and there will be no one to answer to or even a me to be judged.
Nor am i searching for any closure while im alive. Im alive until im dead and pushing up daisies.dirtdonk said:i'm curious. what do the athiest's here think happens to you when you die? is this it? do you just die and go away so make the best of it here cause thats all there is?
are you going to whine about the "Is 'Family Guy' back on the air? OT" post and all the other non biking posts as well? its an interesting subject when people can discuss it without slamming each other for the other ones beliefs.rpet said:Please move this to the correct forum.
Lack of faith does NOT equal lack of ethics/morality/etc. I don't need God to know right from wrong. Yeesh.ArmySlowRdr said:People like you "scare" me. I wonder if many that share your belief feel they can violate society's norms--because--well -. hey---it really is not going to matter at the end. It really is just all about me and there will be no one to answer to or even a me to be judged.
the universe thing was a philosophical question not a theological one. i don't know where my God originated. i wonder about it just like i wonder where the end of the universe is.Bikinfoolferlife said:So how does religion assure you that the universe doesn't go on and on? Where did your god originate? You aren't bothered by that?
that tells me what you do not what drives you to do it.Bikinfoolferlife said:Personally I derive my drive to be a good person by simply respecting others and life in general.
no, it was a question not a challange. i question if i would try to be a better person if eternity were not at stake. or would i say screw you all and do whatever it would take to get whatever i wanted.Bikinfoolferlife said:You need to think of yourself as immortal to be a better person?.
I think you are confused about morals and religion. One does not need the other. They are two totally seperate entities. Freud (Future to an Illusion) and Bertrand Russell are two prolific atheist writers and they both agree that there is a moral way that should be and is generally followed. Specifically Russell in "What I Believe" he says that he believes this and that one doesn't have to be religious to be a moral and overall good person. Freud is more of the person to say that we are moral because it is in civilizations best interest.dirtdonk said:no, probably not the correct forum for this topic. i should probably take a philosophy class. feel free to not comment and move on.
so then, if there is no God, the incredible complexity of the infinite universe is just a random happening. impossible for me to grasp the concept of the universe just going on and on (infinity). if it in fact does. also impossible for me to imagine that the universe is random. nothing giving direction. dna random, i think not.
so, if there is nothing more beyond this life. what drives an atheist to try to be a good person and have value for their life and others? the definite limits of this life? why not just take, take, take. damn the consequences, there are none. jail, if you get caught i suppose. no, there is some internal thing called a conscience. learned or born with?