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We have a stuck crown race here that have tried anything on without it even moving out of its place a micron.......




Three flat heads snapped and stuck underneath it * two visible in this pic.............

@ first i tried to extract it with its own specific tool




But it was riuning the wedges of that tool....................so i preffreed not to force the tool on it from a pont that was obvious its not gona extract it..........

Tried heating it with boiling water in order to expand the race but wasnt helpfull either..................

Any suggestions ? or tricks on this ?

Thanx ...............
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Do you need to save and reuse the crown race or can you destroy it in the process of removing it? Cut it off?
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Put the whole thing in a freezer for half a day. Metals shrink at different rates -- might be enough.

Or given the wedges you've driven under there, it might not.
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Last one I removed in a pinch I used razor blades.
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Last one I removed in a pinch I used razor blades.
Come on man... You used a pizza cutter.
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Ok ok it was two pizza cutters. One rammed in each side
Do you need to save and reuse the crown race or can you destroy it in the process of removing it? Cut it off?
How can i cut it but now damage the fork its self ?
Ok ok it was two pizza cutters. One rammed in each side
YES
How can i cut it but now damage the fork its self ?
Maybe a hacksaw oriented parallel to the steerer tube, aiming down towards the crown? Stop before you cut through into the crown and break it open the rest of the way. Just an idea. Not sure if it would work.
Or use a dremel and cut as close to the steerer as you can and take slices off. This can relieve the tension on that race and make it easier to pop off.
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Leave it be?
If I were to cut it I'd likely use a cold chisel downward. Can't imagine not cutting into the fork parts with any type of cutting wheel.

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I used razor blades on my last stuck race. Tap a blade in on one side careful not to go in too deep and mark the steerer. Tap one in on the other side. The add a 2nd on the 1st side. Add a 2nd on the 2nd side. Just keep adding blades until the crown race comes off. They act like little wedges and push the race off.
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I used razor blades on my last stuck race. Tap a blade in on one side careful not to go in too deep and mark the steerer. Tap one in on the other side. The add a 2nd on the 1st side. Add a 2nd on the 2nd side. Just keep adding blades until the crown race comes off. They act like little wedges and push the race off.
I reckon if it's not welded on there it would work well.

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I'd suggest heat, while it's true that metals expand at different rates, usually a larger concentric ring is going to expand significantly due to significantly longer circumference. So even if the inner metal has a higher rate of expansion, the outer ring ends up lengthening more with a subsequent radius change due to circumference being longer and having more to play with.

But you have also beat that to hell already. Given that, it's likely it's bonded on there through a chemical process. The cutting is probably the best way for results at this point, don't cut all the way through like suggested above, just get close. This tends to work for a lot of frozen stuff.
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I'd suggest heat, while it's true that metals expand at different rates, usually a larger concentric ring is going to expand significantly due to significantly longer circumference. So even if the inner metal has a higher rate of expansion, the outer ring ends up lengthening more with a subsequent radius change due to circumference being longer and having more to play with.

But you have also beat that to hell already. Given that, it's likely it's bonded on there through a chemical process. The cutting is probably the best way for results at this point, don't cut all the way through like suggested above, just get close. This tends to work for a lot of frozen stuff.
Because both the race & the steerer tube are both steel their thermal expansion rates are same unfortunately..........
And it didnt help.........


Put the whole thing in a freezer for half a day. Metals shrink at different rates -- might be enough.

Or given the wedges you've driven under there, it might not.

The freezer is full and has no space ............but dont think it would help either as i used boiling water..............the temperature difference with the room temp was about 80 C.......the freezers temp is about -15 C so ots difference with the room temp is around 35 C But after all..............il give it a try................maybe use some ice on it..............
Because both the race & the steerer tube are both steel their thermal expansion rates are same unfortunately..........
And it didnt help.........





The freezer is full and has no space ............but dont think it would help either as i used boiling water..............the temperature difference with the room temp was about 80 C.......the freezers temp is about -15 C so ots difference with the room temp is around 35 C But after all..............il give it a try................maybe use some ice on it..............
Crown race removal tools (the bearing splitter you posted) frequently destroy crown races, unless the blades can get all the way under a significant portion of the race. It is compounded by the tight fits/small gaps on that type of bearing race you posted. If the goal is to re-use the race, more times than not, you are better off with the following method--due in large part to the fact that suspension forks have no crown race overhang.

1) as mentioned, use trapezoidal razor blades (commonly sold in North America as box cutter/utility blades)


Using a small hammer (ball peen [metalworking hammer]), begin tapping the blade in under the race. Doesn't matter, pick a spot. Start with the blade on an angle relative to the crown race seat, so the bevel is inline with the crown race seat. Pick a spot 180 degrees opposite the first blade, and repeat the process. Now move 90 degrees, and pound in another blade. Move 180 degrees opposite that, and repeat. Continue moving in the above fashion, building opposite pairs of blades, until the race either lifts enough to clear the enlarged portion of the steerer tube, or you can get the bearing splitter all the way under the race. Take care hitting the razor blades with the hammer, as they are hard steel and are brittle. Eye protection is a great idea.

The other method is to use a rotary tool (Bosch may be more common outside of NA) with a diamond scribe. There is no room for a cutting wheel, so you need to use a small, pointed scribe to cut through most of the race. Keep the gap as small as you can manage, as it will help the next step. Using a small cold [metal cutting] chisel, apply reasonable force to the gap you've opened--the race is made from bearing steel, so will be relatively brittle. The force from the chisel should snap the ring, and it will either fall off, or be significantly easier to remove. I would suggest you make your cut with the scribe in line with one of the "removal slots" that is cast into the fork crown.
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Wood chisel - be gentle - works 100% of the time for me.
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Because both the race & the steerer tube are both steel their thermal expansion rates are same unfortunately..........
And it didnt help.........
Because the race has a longer circumference, it would expand more than the steerer. That's why you use heat...but I think it's too stuck for heat anyway.
Weld some spots on the race, until it starts glowing (with an electric welder, not a torch!!!). Should come off with two chisels then. If not, weld some pieces of steel to the race, so you can hammer on it from beyond.
If you freeze/ice it for awhile, the heat will have a greater effect - BUT only if the heat is highly concentrated. Boiling water likely heated everything, rather than concentrating on the race itself - and it's not really that hot, metallurgically speaking. With a small torch you can direct heat more precisely. You must work quickly, though, before the heat spreads to other areas. Ice on the inside and flame on the outside will provide a fairly high temperature gradient.

If you decide to cut it, just wrap some tape around the steerer so your blade isn't scratching it up, and saw straight down toward the crown - essentially making the race into a "C".

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