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Hello,

I'm currently thinking about building a Cross Check.
Main uses are going to be ocasional touring, commuting, trails and general exploring.

I am an air under 6'1 tall (184cm) with a 33" (85cm) inseam. I am going to use my favourite stem lenght, 90mm, with Salsa Cowbell handlebars.

Which size is recommended? 56 or 58cm? I fear that the 56cm headtube is a little short and that the 58cm standover is a little too tall on singletrack.
Any help and shared experiences woudl be greattly apreciated.


By the way, if I go ahead, this is going to be my first time building canti brakes, so I am a total noob with them. Are the cable stops included with the frame?


Thanks


PS: for reference, I ride a 20" Pugsley right now, and like the fit
 

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hello Ze_Zaskar,

i'm 183cm tall with 89cm inseam and ride the 56 cc frame with a 90mm stem and drop bars.
that works fine for me because i use it as a touring bike and don't like to be stetched out that much. the only thing that is not perfect is the toe overlap with 40c tires. but i don't think that would make a big difference with the 58 frame.
 

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Im the exact same dimensions as you, 6,1 33 inseam. I was waffling between a 58 and a 60. I choose the 60 and paired it with a 90mm stem and 46cm cowbells. It was a tiny bit too long for me but the standover was awesome, even on mild singletrack. I ended up selling this bike for soemthing else. If I were to do it over again, I would choose a 58 instead.
 

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I'd suggest the 58. I'm 6 ft and ride a 56 with 120 mm stem, though with a good amount of rise. I also ride mine combined for singletrack, light touring and commuting. if i had it to do over again, i would probably go with a 58. the 56 gives a little more stand over, but i've never really felt like the extra standover was that much of an asset off road. also, if you go with the 58, you will have less toe overlap issues, which can be a little annoying, especially on tight singletrack. either way, awesome bike!
 

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I would also suggest the 58 given your uses. If you were going to do any racing, the 56 could be a consideration. However, while your preference for 90mm stems is good to know, you might want to be open to what length is appropriate and feels good on this bike once you get it built up, and not just slap it on because it works on another bike.
 

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Thanks for all the help guys, I'll chose the 58cm. I guess the taller headtube of the 58 will also help to get a more trail friendly position.


Regarding the frame construction, is the Cross Check as tough as a regular MTB? I am asking this because I always saw it as a really tough bike, but then I read some opinions on this thread:

http://forums.mtbr.com/surly/broken-cross-check-any-advice-859632.html

Thanks again for the help
 

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Good choice going with the 58cm frame. Cross-Checks can handle quite a bit of abuse, but they aren't what I'd call "mtb tough". Yes you can ride on somewhat rough single track, but the tubing isn't made for straight up mtb'ing.
 

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Are the Stragglers any better in the toughness department?

I would happly go with a LHT, but the vertical dropouts turn me off.
I had too many derailleur faillures to go with an "un-singlespeedable" bike again
 

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Are the Stragglers any better in the toughness department?

I would happly go with a LHT, but the vertical dropouts turn me off.
I had too many derailleur faillures to go with an "un-singlespeedable" bike again
What kind of riding are you planning on? I ride my Cross Check on single track and I ve been known to jump of curbs and hit stairs with it too. I weigh over 200 lbs and its plenty strong for that. If, you are really worried about strength and want a Surly you could use a Karate Monkey or and Ogre for a Monster Cross build???
 

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Another question,

Since I am going to ride a fair amount of singletrack, with 42 or 45mm tires, what kind of tires do you think are the best?

Cantis look really good and are suposed to work well with mud, but are they that weak, and hard to setup?

Mini v-brakes look a clever solution and are cheap, but do they really work with road levers?

Regular v-brakes seem to be a safe bet and I can setup them close-eyed, but they look out of place on the bike, don't you think?
 

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I use 700x40 kenda happy mediums and have loved them for mixed terrain riding. probably not good in mud and looser/ sandy terrain. I have found using a mini-v up front to greatly help with hand fatigue issues while riding singletrack. work fine with road levers. i use the cheap tektro ones for around $15.
 

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It seems to me that a Karate Monkey or Ogre may be a better choice or at least a consideration. I've got a CC and do take it down singletracks occasionally. It does ok, but it's really noodley and not fun going down the buff rocky parts on 40mm tires. My Karate Monkey with 2" tires is much more fun.
 

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It seems to me that a Karate Monkey or Ogre may be a better choice or at least a consideration. I've got a CC and do take it down singletracks occasionally. It does ok, but it's really noodley and not fun going down the buff rocky parts on 40mm tires. My Karate Monkey with 2" tires is much more fun.
I agree. I tried taking my CC on one of the singletrack trails I usually do on my MTB and it was just terrible. And, I had 45c tires.
 

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yeah, maybe this thread should have been prefaced with the disclaimer that if you want the experience of riding a cross bike on singletrack, a CC is a great option. I personally really like riding my CC on singletrack, but it is a very different experience than riding my MTB on the same trails. For me, that's cool because it keeps me from getting bored and is a bit of an extra challenge. but it goes, up till now, without saying that a cross bike is going to be a way different ride on singletrack than a purpose built mtb.
 

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Maybe I should clarify that I don't want in any way to emulate a true mtb with a CC. A CX bike is waht it is and that's it.
Bu I see no reason not to smooth things a little, that why the 45mm tires and the v-brake questions
 
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