Nu-School Trail Rat
I've been told that MTBR has a clear mission and core values.
What are they?
What are they?
They are run by the Freemasons, so who knows what the real mission is?The_rydster said:I've been told that MTBR has a clear mission and core values.
What are they?
That is interesting. This is a commercial enterprise if I am not mistaken, and that is only partially eluded to - by an implication - right in that last bullet point about 'sponsoring'? That seems quite extraordinary - for a business to not acknowledge its commercial objectives?MTBR.com Message Board Posting Guidelines
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So is this site here to primarily make cash or to "help mtn. bike enthusiasts and foster a healthy community"? I'm not saying they are mutually exclusive objectives but it should be laid out.Sponsoring mtbr assures our survival and is very affordable.
Ok how do you know the posters motivation for posting a post? This guideline #7 would imply that the mods NEED to know motivation to enforce this guideline. Also if insults are not allowed under guideline #2 than should not the insulter be deal with rather than the OP?7. The message is posted as "flame-bait" and is posted to incite flames and insults.
Ok how are we defining 'badgering' and 'flaming'? Aren't insults and 'libel' type issues already covered?While debates and differing opinions are all part of interfacing with many others, constant and continous badgering and flaming of others will not be tolerated, and will be dealt with at the management's discretion.
True, that may not have been right, but it wasn't for so long (not years) and eventually DHF and AnthonyS made up.....DHF even demoed the Yeti 7 with Anthony when the demo Truck went to AZ....(and DHF decided to step down as mod after that)VheelundShproket said:Which part of the guidelines allowed a moderator (downhillfaster) to harass Anthony S and Yeti for a couple of years and try to get him fired until he died?
So, I guess I'm missing the back story, but the impression from this thread is you have some sort of axe to grind, eh?The_rydster said:That is interesting. This is a commercial enterprise if I am not mistaken, and that is only partially eluded to - by an implication - right in that last bullet point about 'sponsoring'? That seems quite extraordinary - for a business to not acknowledge its commercial objectives?
Holy crap! You mean they escaped???? Well, partially at least... Hmmm. So it's needful for any particular business to disclose its commercial objectives? To whom? Why? It may be nice, but it's certainly not required.
So is this site here to primarily make cash or to "help mtn. bike enthusiasts and foster a healthy community"? I'm not saying they are mutually exclusive objectives but it should be laid out.
Why do they have to lay it out? Are you being charged for posting/reading here? Yeah, I didn't think so.
BTW what is a 'healthy community'?
Open to the readers' interpretation, as you well know. Don't play dumb.
Ok how do you know the posters motivation for posting a post? This guideline #7 would imply that the mods NEED to know motivation to enforce this guideline. Also if insults are not allowed under guideline #2 than should not the insulter be deal with rather than the OP?
Valid question, sure, but do you really think "the rules" need to be laid out to cover every possible contingency? Dude, it's a feakin' message board, not life. You could always start your own message board and run it however you choose, you know.
Ok how are we defining 'badgering' and 'flaming'? Aren't insults and 'libel' type issues already covered?
That seems to be up the the individual mods that notice something going on, or a particular user who complains to a mod about something. Lots of grey area and wiggle room here, depending on context. Does the "badgered or flamed" feel they've been treated so?