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Conversion or new fork

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OLx6

Discussion Starter · Dec 5, 2021

I have three seasons on my stock Rockshox Yari. It has been a good fork but I wish there was more sensitivity off the top as it is a fine line between sore hands and too much sag. To upgrade my fork I have about $800 set aside. The options I am considering are a Push ACS-3 conversion, DVO Diamond D1, or a Lyrik select all at 160 mm. If I go with the Push conversion I would do a full service at the same time and do the work myself.

The fork is on a hardtail and the trails are fast and rough. However no big hits i.e. flat drops.

Anyone go from a Yari to one of these options? Just curious to hear others experiences.

Thanks

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Thorjensen

· #2 · Dec 5, 2021

I guess you have the Motion Control damper in your Yari and that's why you feel the harshness. I've had the same experience on my 140mm trail hardtail running a 2020 Revelation also with the MoCo damper.
I got a custom tuned open bath damper (like the MoCo) from Novyparts called Splug. My Revelation fork runs so superb now that I find it hard to chose if I like my Lyrik Ultimate RC2 over my Revelation Splug.
I think the Splug damper is around $160

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Thorjensen

· #3 · Dec 5, 2021

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OneTrustMan

· #4 · Dec 5, 2021

Thorjensen said:
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Nice.
Is that Novyparts Splug damper only the upper part, or the whole thing including the rebound?

And what adjustments does it have?

Thorjensen

· #5 · Dec 5, 2021

OneTrustMan said:
Nice.
Is that Novyparts Splug damper only the upper part, or the whole thing including the rebound?

And what adjustments does it have?

You only change the damper. Rebound shaft/piston stays the same.
I changed to 10wt oil too as the manual says (I used WPL oil).
I would like to try out an Yari Splug 160mm 29" on my FS to compare it to my Lyrik

OLx6

Discussion Starter · #6 · Dec 5, 2021

That is interesting that your upgraded Revelation rivals a Lyrik Ultimate. Rockshox sells an aftermarket damper but it is more expensive. Thank you for sharing.

Thorjensen

· #7 · Dec 5, 2021

OLx6 said:
That is interesting that your upgraded Revelation rivals a Lyrik Ultimate. Rockshox sells an aftermarket damper but it is more expensive. Thank you for sharing.

The first parkinglot test made me question if I'd got something wrong. Caus the support was mabey too good and at a degree that I thought it would kill my hands riding trails.
I run my Rev with zero Tokens and 20% sag.
So I wasen't all the positive when I started up with the Splug.
As you should do when you order the Splug you fill out a form to give Maxime (the owner/wiz of Novyparts) an idea about your weight, type of bike, what you want from your fork types of trails etc etc.
Set my LSC on the damper in the middle 14click out of 28 as explained in the manual as that is the base setting (from the filled out form) And after a bunch of trail testing I've ended up at 11click from full open.
But now...... That fork just rips, super supportive, plush and easy on the hands and still easy to give a full service without having to bleed dampers etc etc.

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OneTrustMan

· #8 · Dec 5, 2021

OLx6 said:
That is interesting that your upgraded Revelation rivals a Lyrik Ultimate. Rockshox sells an aftermarket damper but it is more expensive. Thank you for sharing.

Ahh btw, another good and cheap upgrade ( if you haven't already done this ) to your Yari would be the C1 Debonair.
I just did this on my Lyrik ( RCT3 ) including a bushing calibration. First test ride was today.
The mid stroke support is much better than it was before and the small bumb sensitivity also got really good. Happy hands here

With the old Debonair my Lyrik would rush through the middle of the travel way too fast.

OLx6

Discussion Starter · #9 · Dec 19, 2021

Thank you both for the valuable input. I have spent some time checking out the options. Coil is appealing but I like the ability to adjust the fork's response. The Novy Splug and C1 spring seem like a good option for the Yari. When you did the install did you put 10 wt oil in both the spring and damper?

I was thinking about installing Push low friction seals as well.

Looking at the logic of this decision. It will cost about $400 to purchase the damper, air spring, seal kit, and a few tools. Going with a new fork I would need to spend at least $730 to get something better than a stock Yari. After the $400 upgrade the Yari should be comparable to $1000 forks correct?

ungod

· #10 · Dec 19, 2021

The yari is a good chassis, it's probably worth keeping and upgrading. Avalanche also makes upgrades for it.

Thorjensen

· #11 · Dec 19, 2021

OLx6 said:
Thank you both for the valuable input. I have spent some time checking out the options. Coil is appealing but I like the ability to adjust the fork's response. The Novy Splug and C1 spring seem like a good option for the Yari. When you did the install did you put 10 wt oil in both the spring and damper?

I was thinking about installing Push low friction seals as well.

Looking at the logic of this decision. It will cost about $400 to purchase the damper, air spring, seal kit, and a few tools. Going with a new fork I would need to spend at least $730 to get something better than a stock Yari. After the $400 upgrade the Yari should be comparable to $1000 forks correct?

The 10wt WPL oil is only applied in the damper. The spring side ONLY uses Sram Butter and 20wt WPL oil in the lowers.

CrozCountry

· #12 · Dec 19, 2021

Do you know if you have a debonair air spring? If not its a cheap upgrade. Not day and night, but still better.

OLx6

Discussion Starter · #13 · Dec 19, 2021

Thorjensen said:
The 10wt WPL oil is only applied in the damper. The spring side ONLY uses Sram Butter and 20wt WPL oil in the lowers.

Thanks for the update. Does Novy Parts provide decent installation instructions as well?

Much appreciated.

OLx6

Discussion Starter · #14 · Dec 19, 2021

ungod said:
The yari is a good chassis, it's probably worth keeping and upgrading. Avalanche also makes upgrades for it.

Thank you. I agree as well. I like how solid the Yari feels, IMHO is is better than other forks in this regard.

OLx6

Discussion Starter · #15 · Dec 19, 2021

CrozCountry said:
Do you know if you have a debonair air spring? If not its a cheap upgrade. Not day and night, but still better.

My fork is a 2019 with a debonair air spring in it but not the C1. From what I understand the C1 has a wider seal head to help it stay higher in travel.

Thorjensen

· #16 · Dec 19, 2021

OLx6 said:
Thanks for the update. Does Novy Parts provide decent installation instructions as well?

Much appreciated.

No worries.

Yeah the Splug comes with a manual but I can also give you an idea already so you know.

With the lowers off now remove the snap ring holding the rebound shaft and piston. Now you can inspect the damper side and make sure that all of the 5wt oil is out. Reinstall the piston and read the manual how much oil you need to put in the stanchion.
If it says the oil level has to be fx 88mm below the top of the crown then start to fill it up. Cycle the rebound up and down some times with your hand covering the hole. Now you are sure that the correct amount of oil has passed the pistonhead. Now you fill it to fx 88mm below the top.
I believe that the oil fill rate is different from Revelation to Yari.

OLx6

Discussion Starter · #17 · Dec 19, 2021

Thorjensen said:
No worries.

Yeah the Splug comes with a manual but I can also give you an idea already so you know.

With the lowers off now remove the snap ring holding the rebound shaft and piston. Now you can inspect the damper side and make sure that all of the 5wt oil is out. Reinstall the piston and read the manual how much oil you need to put in the stanchion.
If it says the oil level has to be fx 88mm below the top of the crown then start to fill it up. Cycle the rebound up and down some times with your hand covering the hole. Now you are sure that the correct amount of oil has passed the pistonhead. Now you fill it to fx 88mm below the top.
I believe that the oil fill rate is different from Revelation to Yari.

Good to know. Thank you.

lookiel

· #18 · Dec 20, 2021

I have the same Yari as you with a debonair air spring and also a Pike RCT3 with the Push coil conversion.

I feel like the Yari performs well and think you should upgrade the air spring first because it’s cheap and effective, pretty supple up top and supportive in the middle. And if you’re not 100% happy you can then consider upgrading the damper.

My coil Pike is also very nice and I prefer it a tad over the Yari because it’s more consistent and linear (although the ACS-3 bumper ramps up to prevent bottoming out), feels coil good, has less stiction, isn’t affected by outside temperature and requires less maintenance. It does have several disadvantages: added weight, less tunability (choosing the right spring is crucial) and it’s IMO a little expensive.

justwan naride

· #19 · Dec 20, 2021

I had a Yari on my ht that I tried to make better in many ways (without upgrading the damper), but ultimately got a used DVO Diamond. Night and day difference, huge adjustability, setup recommendations are spot on, OTT means small bump sensitivity is unreal and the damper responds so much better to successive hits. The latter was my main gripe with the Yari and is a standard issue with MoCo dampers.

Plus DVO are great to deal with should any issues arise or when you simply want to ask a question. Would buy again at full price no problem.

I would check the coil version of the Z1 as well.

romphaia

· #20 · Dec 20, 2021

OLx6 said:
Thank you both for the valuable input. I have spent some time checking out the options. Coil is appealing but I like the ability to adjust the fork's response. The Novy Splug and C1 spring seem like a good option for the Yari. When you did the install did you put 10 wt oil in both the spring and damper?

I was thinking about installing Push low friction seals as well.

Looking at the logic of this decision. It will cost about $400 to purchase the damper, air spring, seal kit, and a few tools. Going with a new fork I would need to spend at least $730 to get something better than a stock Yari. After the $400 upgrade the Yari should be comparable to $1000 forks correct?

Since you're upgrading the air spring it's worth to go one step further and upgrade to the Luft Fusion air spring. That will be night and day difference even compared to the c1 debonair, and make your fork perform better than any stock 1000$ fork.

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