[RooHarris]

Recently, I finished creating a compilation map of most if not all the trails and secondary roads in the western sector of the JDSF. These total approximately to 219 miles. (Currently, all guidebooks are sold out with no future intention of reprinting until stabilization in this sector of forest is achieved with the JDSF management.) Many THPs are slated to occur here in the next 3 to 5 years in this sector. Presently, no active harvesting is going on at the Scales 500 THP or the Camp 1 Redtail THP. Therefore, these two areas are technically closed to the general public.

The attached 10"X8.5" 300DPI map in JPG format is a smaller version of the finished product which can be printed to an 18"X15.3" poster or foldable map. That 70.8mb map file is saved as a CMYK TIFF at 300DPI. I am not taking any money for this map. Please consider donating to MTS. PM me if interested. Many trails on this map are not officially recognized by Cal-Fire and the JDSF management.

Disclaimer: Please proceed with caution when riding here. You assume all risks when riding or hiking in the JDSF. The author of this map cannot be held liable for any injuries you might sustain while riding or hiking these trails, getting lost or otherwise.

Enjoy the riding and hiking!

Thank you!

Jackaroo Maps

 

[RooHarris]

Here is an attachment which might open larger:

 

[finlayson]

What is the significance of the diagonal cross-hatched areas, compared to the other green (not cross-hatched) areas?

Also, does your purchasable version of the map include GPS (latitude,longitude) coordinates of trail junctions?

 

[RooHarris]

What is the significance of the diagonal cross-hatched areas, compared to the other green (not cross-hatched) areas?

Also, does your purchasable version of the map include GPS (latitude,longitude) coordinates of trail junctions?

1-These areas are for "No Gun Use" .

2- I have not done this yet. But, I will begin soon as it will be an enormous process. I'd guess there would be several if not many hundred different intersections. Trailheads will be much easier.

 

[finlayson]

Trailheads will be much easier.

Starting with GPS coordinates just for trailheads would be a big win, IMHO...

 

[RooHarris]

Thank you for your interest in my project. I will begin that process. What everyone needs to know is: there are NO SIGNs from Cal-Fire/JDSF at any intersections or on the trails themselves except for the top of Forest History and Manly Gulch. These were immediately erected after a fatal heart attack on Manly Gulch Tr. and S&R was unable to locate the victim. The new Observatory trail has a sign, top and bottom. Other than that: Good luck.

I will spend a day or two determining the GPS coordinates for TH.

This composite map was long in the coming and a dream I began 10 years ago. The cost of the file (TIFF) is for the electronic edition. So, there will be no S&H as previously mentioned. I may do paper maps in the foreseeable future. Presently, I'm getting cost estimates for them.
Thanks again for your interest.
Roo

 

[Lela's Dad]

Interested.
My friends, family, and I really dig Roo's dedication to our mtb sport and to the protection and promotion of his amazing riding areas. Several years ago, we spent a great weekend getting the grand tour with Roo's help, including a couple of stops for some botanical experiences.

 

[RooHarris]

Starting with GPS coordinates just for trailheads would be a big win, IMHO...

I have now done so. This can be found on the newest map for cell phone usage.

 

[ShrineBuilder]

What is the significance of the diagonal cross-hatched areas, compared to the other green (not cross-hatched) areas?

Also, does your purchasable version of the map include GPS (latitude,longitude) coordinates of trail junctions?

In Avenza, as you pan around and scroll there is a cursor centered in the screen and the coordinates for that location are displayed for anywhere you care to look.

I've been using the original map that was plagiarized for this effort for years, for free, and you can easily get the coordinates for anywhere on the forest. The original map also has a comprehensive legend, is higher resolution, and covers the whole forest. All you are paying for is Roo's tracks.

The orignal map is here for anyone who cares:jdsf_public_map_georef_02162018_opt.pdf (ca.gov)

 

[RooHarris]

In Avenza, as you pan around and scroll there is a cursor centered in the screen and the coordinates for that location are displayed for anywhere you care to look.

I've been using the original map that was plagiarized for this effort for years, for free, and you can easily get the coordinates for anywhere on the forest. The original map also has a comprehensive legend, is higher resolution, and covers the whole forest. All you are paying for is Roo's tracks.

The orignal map is here for anyone who cares:jdsf_public_map_georef_02162018_opt.pdf (ca.gov)

I have not personally received any compensation, nor do I plan to, for my current map. My purpose was to create a comprehensive map that includes all the trails that are named that exist in the western sector of the JDSF, so that people can be oriented no matter where they end up in the forest as it is very easy to get lost here. It is about your Safety. The original Cal-Fire/JDSF map (above) does not include all these trails and therefore presents a serious issue in being able to orient to your exact position.

 

[ShrineBuilder]

I have not personally received any compensation, nor do I plan to, for my current map. My purpose was to create a comprehensive map that includes all the trails that are named that exist in the western sector of the JDSF, so that people can be oriented no matter where they end up in the forest as it is very easy to get lost here. It is about your Safety. The original Cal-Fire/JDSF map (above) does not include all these trails and therefore presents a serious issue in being able to orient to your exact position.

By all means, this could be an excellent resource to aide in exploration of the forest, but I don't buy the "safety" angle. I've had no issues orienteering with the original while mushrooming or riding. If safety is the prime concern, I'd stick to the official map and official trails. The extra trails are nice to find new trails or see where you'll end up if you keep on going but in a real emergency I can't imagine this map being more helpful. Who named these trails? I doubt they are the official names, which could lead to confusion. First responders probably don't know where the 'Shithole' trail is, but they'd know rd 531 and coordinates or closest spur. If anything it sounds straight up hazardous to publish this as a stand alone product, especially since the track lines and alternate labels obscure good information. I'd highly encourage this to be paired with the original map, luckily the free version of Avenza allows up to three maps to be loaded simultaneously.

 

[RooHarris]

I'm sorry, your explanation is specious at best. Many people may not have your skills as a forest orienteer. And, therefore at a distinct disadvantage without my map. It is important that this map have names which most users know or heard about. The trail names have been known here for many years. I hope JDSF never rename what are considered legendary. It is what we are known for. It is the economy of the future.

Safety for users is still my prime objective. Example: Your lost out somewhere in the JDSF, You see a trail next to your Avenza blue spot known as Speed Way. Where are you? Or, Bonnie View, Oasis Cut or even Moguls. None of these trails exist on the JDSF map by name. SOL!

Without names, how does one navigate from trail to trail.

You say, " First responders probably don't know where the 'Shithole' trail is, but they'd know rd 531". Your ignorance betrays you. Shithole is not Rd 531, but Rd 533. If you also think JDSF map is the only source for safe information, why is the new Observatory trail completely absent from it? Where is Forbidden? Or, Buck 50? Why are they not on the JDSF map? My understanding is: It isn't recognized by management therefore it does not exist. Tell that to a lost soul when he or she is at the bottom of Son of Buzzard.

Start naming the known trails in the JDSF which are recognized or not by the Cal-fire/JDSF on the map. I am more than happy to work with JDSF in the name of safety for all users. This information is imperative to all. Therefore, I'm willing to offer my experience in the 30,000+acres which I have ridden for 30+ years. When this is done, then maybe we can come to a resolution.

I implore you to stop discrediting these efforts. It all comes down to safely navigating the forest. One suggestion to management is: Start putting up signage at all trailheads and intersections. This is the chief complaint I've heard for years by all new users of our trails. Once in the past, MCC offered to put up signs, but was vetoed by JDSF management. Bottom line: We don't need another tragic death on our trails due to S&R not knowing where to go to rescue someone due to the lack of signage.

This forest is not owned by JDSF, but a forest belonging to the people of California.

 

[Craig Petersen]

ShrineBuilder, I completely agree with Roo’s response to you. Additionally, if your real name is Erik, for full transparency, you should reveal your relationship with Cal Fire and use your real name. While the map you posted is a nice map, the map that Roo has so generously created and shared for the benefit for all, is for all practical purposes superior to the one you are touting, both for recreation and safety concerns.

Let’s say someone is hurt out on one of the many possible unnamed trails on your map. Their partner rides or hikes out of the forest for help, because as is typical, there is no cell coverage. But, due to a lack of signage and not knowing the trail name where the injured person is lying, they can’t describe where that person is located to emergency responders. On the other hand, using Roo’s map, they can tell responders exactly what trail the injured person is on and even what portion of the trail. This is also true with apps like Trailforks, which I don’t see you criticizing.

As Roo has pointed out, the reluctance of Cal Fire to put up signs identifying the names of the trails has greatly inhibited safe and enjoyable recreation in the forest. Maybe this is an intentional decision aimed at limiting recreation in this publicly owned forest. I say this because I have actually recently read something from a Cal Fire staff member that stated a concern that a map such as Roo’s might increase recreational activity in the forest, resulting in a negative impact.

I would hope that all people posting on this site would be doing so with the best intentions for the mountain biking community and the JDSF. I am quite confident that this is the case with Roo, a well respected and treasured member of our community. I hope the same is true for you, whoever you may be.

 

[ShrineBuilder]

Wow dudes.

I'd highly encourage this to be paired with the original map, luckily the free version of Avenza allows up to three maps to be loaded simultaneously.

I'm saying use both. ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[RooHarris]

Wow dudes.



I'm saying use both. ¯\(ツ)/¯

ShrineBuilder:
Below are two maps of the exact same place in JDSF. Notice information missing in the Cal-Fire JDSF version. The plethora of old trails you could wind up on shown in top map versus the bottom map. I think it is obvious which map has more pertinent information for the user.

Save the two other free maps in Avenza for something really fun like: Bend Oregon and Sun Valley. The Cal-Fire JDSF map is superfluous as well as redundant.